Stop buying Nvidia
Easy enough when they’re not selling
I wish there were more laptops using AMD gpus here in Brazil. You basically can’t find any laptop with an AMD gpu if you search for “gamer laptop” in Brazilian stores.
Gaming laptops are a not really worth it imo. They’re underpowered, overheat easily, and tend to break quickly. That doesn’t even touch on their battery life, even when not under load.I’d recommend getting a steam deck if you really need the portability, but it doesn’t look like they’re available in Brazil :/
Steam deck and a gaming laptop don’t have the same niche. Laptop is great when you don’t have a permanent spot to setup a gaming computer, or traveling a lot for example, but still want to enjoy full experience. Deck is more for playing “on the go” so to speak.
Buying gaming laptop was the best decision for me
Someone is going to make bank by catering to consumers. Will the market accept nvidia back with open arms if/when the ai investments fall through?
That would be nice. But video cards are a VERY niche piece of engineering. The knowledge of HOW to make them is locked in a handful of people, and the ability to make them locked behind a very niche set of equipment that will ALSO be exploding in cost.
One does not simply start a graphics card company.
I don’t think a newcomer could do it, but a company like Intel is posed to be in a good position. They don’t have much market share but they have a good product.
Intel is arguably worse. They‘re in a bad spot right now so they can‘t do crazy things like Nvidia but they totally would and will go down the same path. I don‘t think US designed hardware will ever truly come back to end consumer products.
Nothing will. They’re moving us onto techno feudalism. We won’t earn anything and we’ll be wage slaves if they’re merciful to us, otherwise most people will be in camps and dead, unless we stand up real damn soon .
They’re actively moving away from the bottom 90% of consumers, it’s just not worth it anymore and maybe once it was worth advertising to us, but no longer. The top 10% owns 93% of stocks and control at least 55% of the market revenue as of early 2025, probably closer to 60-65% now, after tariffs, layoffs, and the nonexistent recession We’re all imagining and definitely isn’t real. /s
The problem with that is Intel is subject to the same bullshit economic assessments as AMD and Nvidia… They’ll just as soon retool for ai as well.
Well what do most victims of exploitation and abuse do?
Visiting Stockholm?
As a Linux gamer, nvidia was already on thin ice.
Also I had past them up on recentish purchases since they only really controlled the highest end of the market which I don’t have the budget for. So honestly I have no intention of welcoming them back unless there is literally no other option. You made your bed.
This is still a pain point for me. I have been looking for a laptop with an AMD GPU for years to use with Linux, but System76, Starlabs, framework, etc insist on only having Nvidia as a discreet option. Or is it that AMD does not have laptop GPUs? Could be.
This is not an advertisement, but have you checked laptopwithlinux (dot) com?
They’re based in Europe and I’m pretty sure they offer laptops with AMD GPUs, if integrated ones count. Not sure if it’s the highest end stuff, might not have VRAM, but there are definitely AMD laptop GPUs
Thanks. I’ll check them out. But I was actually referring to discreet GPUs. I think I’ve never seen an AMD laptop GPU before.
Most people are willing to sell their morals. When nvidia comes crawling back it will be like nothing ever happened.
I hope they don’t have the production of non-ai chips then.
I get the disdain for GenAI, but are AI chips really the problem? Maybe they’re more expensive and price people out, but it’s not like they’re built on plagiarism like most generative AI models.
As far as I’m aware, they’re just capable of running highly complex multivariable calculi in parallel, making them more efficient for AI applications, but wouldn’t the same features make them better for more realistic physics and other game mechanics like procedural generation, NPC pathfinding and behaviors, etc.?
I guess it would suck for anyone who doesn’t have the hardware to play a game, but there could always be options to configure in the settings to make it playable, like “don’t use tensor calculus in game physics” or whatever
Far as i know, GPUs are more specialized on vector calculations. Some upscaling/frame generation techniques use AI hardware but that’s it.
Maybe some Chinese manufacturer will find a way to fill the gap in the market
i think the latest is that china has managed to create a GPU that’s ~7 years behind. i’m not sure that’s “a GPU from 7 years ago” or “it will take them 7 years, acknowledging that there’s a known path so will take less time”
AFAIK they’ll have to figure out EUV or some other method of lithography at that scale, which they’re trying really hard at but it’s one heck of a difficult thing to do which is why only TSMC currently actually has it working
Their current GPU is roughly equal to a 4060 which isn’t that bad when you consider how far behind they are in terms of time.
iirc that was the claim but it did significantly worse in actual tests, I wish em luck though as we can always use more competition on the market/
So that kind of means that the high-end AAA PC market will crash in the next years, right? No new GPUs, production stop for existing GPUs and rising prices for GPU & RAM in combination with inflation and a bad economy ensure that many people can’t afford a gaming computer. And that a lot of those younger gamers can’t afford to start this hobby.
And that means a shrinking audience for games, which need all this GPU power. If you’re an AAA publisher, it kind of looks crazy to invest multiple millions into a game that you can’t be sure that your audience will be able to afford to play
No not really. AMD is still producing cards. Most people play on older or used cards anyways. Maybe like don’t make Crysis level Graphics but other than that one year of less GPU releases won’t kill gaming. Once the AI bubble bursts NVDIA might have lost a lot of edge over AMD in the gaming market and they’ll scramble to get back
AMD hasn’t stopped making consumer GPUs yet.
OpenAI owns a good chunk of AMD and AMD definitely also want their share of the AI pie.
I wouldn’t look at AMD as some savior that wouldn’t ditch consumers for big AI.
Don’t worry, you can Stream It From the CLOUD™️ for the low low price of 6x what a GPU would cost you over 5 years.
yea you can wait in a queue to play your unmodded single player experience game
All games will be streamed, with a subscription
Shhh! Don’t give them any ideas!
Way too late. This has been a talking point for a while. The AI bubble will burst but that doesn‘t mean they‘ll just return to their roots. Those new data centers need a use case and they need a good reason to keep building more.
I guess the silver lining is that this plan B won‘t work out either so we‘ll have to see. But until then we better take good care of our current hardware. It will probably have to last a good while longer.
Cloud computing is the real endgame. The big tech bros want to price consumers out of the PC hardware market (GPUs, RAM, NVMe, etc.) so they can offer a cloud solution via subscription model.
They’ve already been pushing this for like a decade now. GeForce now has been a thing since like 2015.
Just stop playing games, and they will have no hold over you.
Or code your own, it’s simple to code a simple game.
In a million years, I couldn’t code The Last of Us Part 3. I’m at their mercy
Or code your own, it’s simple to code a simple game.
This might be enough for anyone that only enjoys tic-tac-toe or maybe checkers.
Retroarch disagrees. I don’t need your newfangled enshittified slop. I have megaman X and wine.
Any sub 500 dollar gpu can play any game that’s not ray traced unreal engine 5 slop. Lots of games to choose from the last 40+ years. The only limiting factor is ram prices sadly.
Yes, but think about the money in mobile and console gaming… PC gaming was niche even before that and we represent very small percentage of the overall gaming industry. Nobody gives a fuck about us since some time already. Now they just show it to us in daylight.
It’s not as niche as it used to be. In the last 10 years it’s grown quite a bit compared to what it was 20 years ago when bad pc ports were the norm. Due to AI, I guess console gaming will go back to being the main way people game again.
Definitely a shrinking audience for AAA games, but I don’t think it will be too bad gamers overall. Consoles will keep marching forward, as will Valve with the Steam Deck and Steam Machine.
I think the highest of the high end graphics stuff has long since hit diminishing returns. You can do a hell of a lot with yesterday’s hardware and less-than-bleeding-edge process nodes for newer hardware. Consoles have never used bleeding edge GPUs and they’ve always done fine with sales (across the whole market, if not always individually). I think we’re highly unlikely to see a repeat of the 1983 gaming crash.
They do fine in sales because the consoles sold at loss and they make money on game sales.
Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo would love to stop producing consoles and start selling you monthly service via a thin client. They just need a ready to go platform for it to gain enough mass first.
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Home video game sales peaked at $3.2 billion then fell to $100 million, a drop of nearly 97%. This collapse, largely blamed on Atari shoving out low quality games, lasted for 2 years until Nintendo released the NES in North America.
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It wiped out everything State side. Thats why Nintendo was able to come in to begin with. Really interesting if you like gaming history. Its pretty much why 90s kids love Mario and didnt grow up playing something else.
While AMD is no angel, I’m glad I went for Radeon RX 9070 XT this time. Really good GPU and fuck NVIDIA. I hope unified RDNA5 will work out for AMD.
