• afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Maybe one day we will produce a civilization capable of using technology as it comes out instead of one that decided to call it quits decades ago. Oh sure we got cellphones but we are still burning coal. Because nuclear is scary.

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      2 years ago

      Because nuclear is scary.

      Nuclear isn’t scary. It’s waste, on the other hand, is.

      But you know, it’s not like we’ve not had multiple examples of nuclear power plants failing catastrophically and destroying things around them for miles, and for decades/centuries.

      Having said that, if they did come out with new technology version of a nuclear power plant that is safe and that with a catastrophic failure does not harm the environment around itself then I would be all for it. I just don’t think the technology is there for that. I hear they’re working on it though.

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          All other energy techs are allowed to have problems and produce waste except for one.

          The other ones don’t fail catastrophically like nuclear does.

          The other ones don’t produce waste that is the worst kind of toxicity for Humanity that lasts for hundred of years.

          Solve those problems, and I’ll get on board that train.

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            Those problems literally HAVE been solved. You’re talking about a disaster from 50 years ago. Nuclear is quite literally one of the safest forms of energy production we have. And the waste is really not much of an issue. Not only is most of it recycled into new fuel, the entire United States hasn’t even made enough fuel to fill a football field since we started using nuclear power.

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              2 years ago

              Those problems literally HAVE been solved.

              And are those designs in production today, or still on the drawing board?

              What percentage of reactors today have this new design that you speak of?

              the entire United States hasn’t even made enough fuel to fill a football field since we started using nuclear power.

              Citation required, because I remember them having to dig out a huge underground storage mine somewhere in the Southwest (nearby Vegas if my recollection is accurate) to handle all the waste that would be generated between all the power station reactors and all the hospitals that use radioactive devices and everything else.

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                Yes those designs are already in use today. Modern reactors are incredibly safe. The only modern disaster was Fukushima and that didn’t even cause any deaths and was brought on by a tsunami.

                And here is your source. And this is for ALL nuclear waste in the world.

                The volume of high-level radioactive waste (HLW) produced by the civil nuclear industry is small. The IAEA estimates that 392,000 tonnes of heavy metal (tHM) in the form of used fuel have been discharged since the first nuclear power plants commenced operation. Of this, the agency estimates that 127,000 tHM have been reprocessed. The IAEA estimates that the disposal volumeb of the current solid HLW inventory is approximately 29,000 m3.1 For context, this is a volume roughly equivalent to a three metre tall building covering an area the size of a soccer pitch.

                This is a good video to learn more about nuclear power and how many people misunderstand it.

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                  Fair enough, thanks for sharing.

                  So like I said, the catastrophic failure effects are my primary concern, though I am concerned about dealing with the waste product.

                  Having said that, that’s still a lot of waste that your documentation is talking about, and it’ll be around for centuries. I don’t think it makes your point as well as you think it does.

                  Better to have other forms of energy that doesn’t generate that sort of waste, or make sure we have one hell of a foolproof (not verified by biased corporations) of preventing that waste from getting into the environment either accidentally or on purpose/terrorism.