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Me watching someone who makes three times my salary use Excel for graphic design.
I had a user come to me with a PDF issue my app was generating. They kept getting the document in landscape, and wanted it on portrait. They were the only user with this issue, and it stumped me. I checked the underlying code, and everything was set to portrait mode, except the last page, which contained a sketch and was set to landscape mode.
I asked him to show me exactly what he did when he made the PDF. Instead of just downloading the provided PDF, he had his system set to open it on Adobe Reader. He would then use a PDF printer (Microsoft, or cutePDF) to save the doc. His printer was set to landscape.
I recently had a hard time explaining to a coworker that the “Increase number of decimals” button in Excel doesn’t work if you already exported to a CSV with only a decimal of precision. It worked on their end because they had the excel file, but I had the CSV. I managed to come up with a clever and innovative solution to the problem though; I gave up and worked on something else.
Dean at my college makes 4x my salary, he thinks I personally invented “VPN” to confuse him and make his life difficult
It must be frustrating to think of oneself as king of the knowledge hill, only to be reminded by life all the time that, well, no. Of course they lash out. Can’t be them that is the problem.
Everyone here is bashing in op, but when you have to help the 50eth person who clearly doesn’t even understand the fundamentals of their job, with editing a word file even tho you already sent them the tutorial, it just gets to you. But I guess I did sign up for first level support.
Look, careers aren’t about doing your job well, they’re about being likeable whether or not you’re competent. If people like you you’ll get paid more even if you can’t figure out how to export a word document.
I agree wholeheartedly, OP doesn’t deserve the bashing, meme is dead on. My daily experience.
Followed by listening to them complain about how they are struggling with money because of how much their cars are costing them. Meanwhile I can’t even afford to learn to drive and had to walk or cycle to work in the pissing rain again.
Listening to the personal financial issues of people much wealthier than you is just the worst. I hate how this can distance me from some of my friends even.
We just got a new employee at work. She is in her 60s and 100% computer illiterate. I had to give her training on how to use a mouse and how to click on bookmarks to open our shared sheets. She somehow deleted everything on one sheet the first day, but shes getting better. She doesn’t own any computers and her phone is some no name model from 12 years ago. Im kinda impressed shes made it this far.
I need to start faking computer illiteracy or at least downplaying my level of literacy. Employers notice how quickly I get computer-related tasks done, but then they expect that as my norm while my coworkers are struggling to use any device without a touch screen.
The last new hire I trained was in his mid-twenties and lacked basic tech literacy outside of the iPhone. I asked him to write up a quick protocol using a template I sent him. He typed the text of the Outlook file preview into notepad and went from there. I was baffled.
Disgusting. At least use vim!
Idk if windows (dad won’t let me swap :( noooooo) supports it plus I can’t learn to do stuff when tired
Heard people need tutorials to close vim nah I’ll stay with n++
You can install nano for powershell
ill just linux when frankenstein works lol
Just going for it and fucking up over and over really is the best way to learn how to use computers… I was lucky enough to go through that as a kid/teen so the consequences were pretty meaningless.
I had such a double take reading your username
I assume 1984 reference or is this a word used elsewhere I happened to learn from the book?
ok ive never heard of it outside of the book lol
That’s the youngest I’ve heard of someone like that. My grandpa was like that and in his 90s and I still thought he should get a computer for at least banking and stuff.
She must have been in her mid 40’s when the iPhone came out, that’s young enough to be interested and learn about the tech. She must have just actively ignored it or refused out of principle or something.
In her 40s? Just how old do you think the iPhone is?
Oh wait, oh no,
I have a colleague making close to twice my salary struggling with IT…but he’s extremely skilled at his actual job.
I overheard someone considerably high up in my organization struggling to understand the concept of an email BCC (Blind Carbon Copy).
He was trying to figure out how to notify a large number of people via email without letting them know who else was receiving the email.
Some things may fall under IT but they should really fall under the category of things every professional should understand.
BCC is turning 50 years old next year.
But like… saving a PDF should not be considered IT lol
Yeah my bet is that the meme is facetious
Nope it’s not facetious … I’m an ICT professional and I see this regularly.
Ok then, sure it’s extreme but document handling is not necessarily a key (or even important) part of their work. Yes they absolutely shouldn’t need to use 15min or get help to save a document, but if their skills in their actual job are spectacular and they produce the work of two in that area, of course they still should be compensated well. I don’t know your specific case, but this is almost the case I mentioned.
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In a capitalist landscape we are trained to only ever be good at one thing. If you do more than one thing, you are worth less because then clearly youre not as good at your primary profession. Even if those other skills benefit that primary profession.
There are, of course, exceptions where managers understand that well-rounded employees provide a bulwark against mistakes and thus inefficiency. But for the most part, if youre not spending time on things that are not your primary responsibility, like learning tangential skills, youre losing them money.
As an Engineer, I need to know:
-At least two professional-grade drawing softwares
-Word processing skills
-Presentation skills in documentation, such as InDesign
-Excel
-Quick comprehension in a mountain of contractual documents
-Digital Document Management
-Two languages minimum
I have already skipped a bunch of soft skills, we are not paid enough, while watching my Boomer PM taking 3 days to write three questions to client consultants.
It’s pretty funny how the people who only have computer skills are hating on people who only have their own skills too
Computer support is literally only useful to other humans doing useful stuff
These people have 0 usefulness outside of helping the guy print a pdf and yet they consider themselves so high and mighty
These people have 0 usefulness outside of helping the guy print a pdf…
Until you click on a phishing link.
This is the curse of IT. Perpetually undervalued yet absolutely essential. If IT were ever to disappear, the businesses they support become walking corpses.
It chaps my ass that everyone working in business has grown up with computers being essential to business yet its somehow still acceptable for them to be functionally illiterate in using them.
Sometimes its so fucking bad that the equivalent would be someone being granted a drivers license and given a car but they have no idea how to put it in park, let alone use the brakes.
IT are the Dunedain Rangers protecting The Shire. They’re not popular, they’re barely acknowledged, often scorned, but without their presence The Shire cannot be.
My industry could abandon most technology and we’d be fine but things would just take longer to do 🤷♀️but everyone I know still appreciates and respects IT anyway
Most people just use their computers to accomplish other things in life and then go about their business without developing actual computer skills. The reason yall in IT is cause you were obsessed w computers enough to truly learn how to use them.
You could always learn how to code an awful system that requires IT support if helping people print and plug in cables isn’t rewarding enough
This is like saying Software Developers have a useless skill set, except to make the important, value creating, end users more productive.
The fuck else is it? Did you come out your momma’s vajayjay being able to save a pdf?
Lol, it’s just computer literacy. Most jobs require using the computer, saving a file required for the job is part of that job.
Yup. The key is are they paid to save pdfs? Or are they paid to do other things?
I can save the shit out of some PDFs, but I’ve only ever made one sale in my entire life.
Are they paid to use the toilet to go to the bathroom or are they paid for other things? If they’re paid for other things, they should shit on the floor wherever they happen to be and let the janitors handle that since they’re the ones paid to clean things up.
depends
are they trying to export a PDF from Microsoft Word? because Microsoft makes that difficult nowadays
It’s really not… There are several pretty straightforward ways to do it and they’re all pretty old standards. Save as > select PDF as the file type. Or if you have Adobe Reader/Acrobat installed, word has a button right under save as that says Save As Adobe PDF. Or you can print to PDF using the Adobe print function in the printers. Lastly windows has a built in PDF printer by default. All of these work pretty damn reliably. If you can’t save a PDF from a word doc, it’s either your computer or you.
You’re showing your privilege lol
When you save an office file to PDF and you are in a OneDrive environment, it doesn’t save it locally - it saves it to the cloud, and then downloads it locally. it’s fucked up
I’m not going to fault people for having trouble when the “save this file as PDF” option doesnt result in a PDF immediately in the save directory
Interesting considering I can save as a PDF while offline
Apparently work computers are fucked up beyond comprehension
God those must be NASTY to use
Can’t you just print and choose “print to pdf” as your “printer”?
Apparently then it is bad for formatting and reading apps for the visual impaired can not pick up sections when they have been pre assigned (but I didn’t test just saw a real, need confirmation)
No word of a lie, I worked in a place where HR would print the company credit card statements, load the printed sheets back into the printer scanner, and email them to each employee individually from the copier.
I’ve heard of something like that happening because they weren’t allowed to download pdfs from emails, but they were allow to directly send them to the printer.
Stupid brain surgeons, don’t know how to save to pdf, I should make more money than them!
If you are a surgeon but, in the year 2026, haven’t learned ‘File>Save As…’ or ‘click the little disk icon’ I doubt your competence to have learned anything else. Saving a file requires far less education and adaptability. I mean, it’s not exactly brain surgery.
“What’s a disk?” – Recently graduated surgeon
“The save icon. The same icon that’s used in every damned piece of software you used in the hopefully better part of two decades of education you got before they slapped a scalpel in your hand. If you can’t recognise it, you probably used chatGPT to fake your way through school and shouldn’t be a surgeon.” - patients of the world
Exhibit A
I don’t think I could trust a brain surgeon who can’t save to pdf in this day and age.
I hate techs that think like this. Shit i can’t do a doctor’s job, I can’t do an architects job. I don’t expect them to do mine. In fact I want then to pay me all to do my job because they can’t do it.
Fuck you. Do you job better then them and be worthy of your money
If saving a PDF is part of your job, then it’s not IT’s job.
And you probably don’t know how long chicken Mcnuggets need to cook in the fryer.
tell it to me at the first day and i will. the thing is if you work with pdf you better know how to use pdf format. your competence should be part of the reason why you earn more. if your boss works with a computer for more than a year and still struggles it’s not a sign of “i don’t need to know that”, but idgaf. these people never needed to climb a ladder hence they don’t know shit about the environment in which they work and slow everybody else down.
If someone needs to save pdfs on a regular basis, they remember how to do it. If not, they don’t.
By the way, isn’t it something weird where instead of using Save As, you have to go to Print, and then save as a pdf from there? Who the fuck cares
You can’t be serious. I show people how to do their basic job functions every day and as soon as I’m out of eye contact that information falls right out of their heads. Sometimes it happens while I’m still standing there.
also gaining information should be the bare minimum - don’t know how to save as pdf? use a search engine or even an ai, if nothing works.
it feels exhausting to explain an easy task three times that could have been two lines, because they don’t want to know it - they want the money but prey on your competence.
I will be shocked if there isnt a button with a picture of nuggets on it.
Sable sauntered into the Burger Lord. It was exactly like every other Burger Lord in America. [But not like every other Burger Lord across the world. German Burger Lords, for example, sold lager instead of root beer, while English Burger Lords managed to take any American fast food virtues (the speed with which your food was delivered, for example) and carefully remove them; your food arrived after half an hour, at room temperature, and it was only because of the strip of warm lettuce between them that you could distinguish the burger from the bun. The Burger Lord pathfinder salesmen had been shot twenty-five minutes after setting foot in France.] McLordy the Clown danced in the Kiddie Korner. The serving staff had identical gleaming smiles that never reached their eyes.[…]
Sable went up to the counter.
“Hello-my-name-is-Marie,” said the girl behind the counter. “How-can-I-help-you?”
“A double blaster thunder biggun, extra fries, hold the mustard,” he said.
“Anything-to-drink?”
“A special thick whippy chocobanana shake.”
She pressed the little pictogram squares on her till. (Literacy was no longer a requirement for employment in these restaurants. Smiling was.)
What’s this from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Omens
Amazing book
I’ve heard of it, might read (future me will read it, dont worry)
You would be right, I can’t afford ultra processed foods. Root veg and grains for me with legumes if I am feeling fancy. Although I do have rosemary now because I pirated the plant.
Ah, have you seeded it yet?
Was more of a copy and paste
