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    Yeah… the guy has a Nazi tattoo. I will not support someone like that. I do not care if he says ‘he has changed’. Politicians lie all of the time. What is up with the party recently? First Graham Platner and then Maureen Galindo? Both OPENLY either has Nazi symbolatry or says to throw people in camps en masse to castrate them. EVEN PEOPLE LIKE AOC, Hakeem Jeffries, Suzan DelBene, Josh Gottheimer, Jared Moskowitz, and John Fetterman ALL CONDEMNED her and Brad Schneider, Jake Auchincloss, Cory Booker, and Janet Mills condemned him! Stop. Embracing. Nazi. Candidates. You KNOW it is bad when some of the most prominent Democratic Party leaders are condemning them and saying their rhetorics are unacceptable. If you get mad at the right for remarks that are less blatant than this over stuff like this where it is somewhat expected, you should be OUTRAGED that people this blatant are getting support in the party that is supposed to be better than this? It should not be a partisan issue to say DO NOT SYMPATHISE WITH NAZIS. What happened to ‘once a Nazi, always a Nazi’?

    Edited for grammar.

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      He never said “he changed” in relation to the tattoo. He said he was unaware, and honestly it’s believable. Is it really that hard to imagine some drunk military dudes in the early 2000s go to a tattoo shop in Croatia and pick a skull tattoo because they think it looks badass. If anyone in that scenario was a Nazi it was the tattoo artist for having that design ready to go.

      I swear people forget there was a time when we didn’t have the world’s information at our fingertips to lookup and know all these symbols.

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    I really don’t give a shit about Platner. I don’t care how progressive or socialist he is. I don’t care enough about him to fight over him.

    Platner hasn’t done anything to show he cares about my politics except talk a lot and run for office. I can’t think of a reason for anyone to give a shit, except that he opposes Collins.

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    I’m more worried about the fact he’s a murderous mercenary than whether his exes have dirt on him. They don’t have a democracy over there, though, so it’s this murderer or Susan Collins (a serial murder enabler). A political system that yields these choices needs to be discarded.

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    Platner volunteered to risk his life for his country in combat — multiple times. He then volunteered to run for Senate when no other major challenger was willing or able to step up and give Maine voters a serious choice in a competitive primary. These decisions reflect a form of character and courage.

    Enlisting to kill people and then leveraging that fact to gain state power is the opposite of character and courage. It’s the standard politico playbook. Politicians only have three origin stories: ‘I made millions exploiting workers, give me state power,’ ‘I’m the lawyer for the guy that made millions exploiting workers, give me state power,’ and ‘I killed brown kids for the guy that made millions exploiting workers, give me state power.’

    Platner is probably better than Collins, but pretending he’s just a blue collar oysterman in a run-of-the-mill election and not the nearly disastrous consequence of (yet another) failure to find component candidates buries the lede here.

    Why is there no one better in all of Maine than Platner. Why is there no one better in all of Virginia than Spanberger. Why is there no one better in all of California than Becerra. We’re sleepwalking into a losing Pete Buttigieg presidential campaign.

    I’d say this is a shitty article from the Jacobin, but it’s unfair to call this an article when it’s really just some stream of conscious bullet points. And yes, this comment is politically motivated lol.

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    I mean. My general opposition to anyone that self identifies as a Nazi could be defined as “politically motivated” because you know, he’s a politician.

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        That would be nice. OF course, I EXPECT Republicans to nominate Nazis.

        When the Democrats do it too you have to kinda wonder what they are trying to achieve.

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            I am hoping that people start paying better attention to their local politics so that we can end up with fewer cases where we have one fascist running against another fascist because both parties are funded by the same corporate donors what have an interest in making sure the government remains captured by their interests.

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          US Military indoctrinates a young man into a fascist cult.

          Man matures, exits the military, shows genuine remorse, joins anti-war groups and becomes an activist in opposition to the US military’s fascist agenda, and then campaigns for high office on these anti-imperialist principles.

          The sitting Senator and sitting Governor call him a fascist, while continuing to defend the very military that enlisted and promoted him while he had the tattoo.

          Really makes you think.

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            Most of these people who are still stuck on the tattoo can’t believe that you aren’t born with the knowledge innately of what Nazi iconography is.

            I, as someone from a rural red distruct, can honestly say we did not spend much time on WW2 in school. Nazis were bad, atom bomb was bad, einstein was super smart. That was about it.

            We didn’t go over what brain drain is or why it would happen (it’s happening now)

            We didn’t go over that during the era of WW2 that segregation was written into and being written into law (Jim Crow), and that the Nazis themselves learned from how we Americans wrote our cruelty into law, sometimes even being abhored at our level of cruelty.

            And I haven’t watched many movies. Everyone points to the “are we the baddies” meme, and to someone who is not aware, it could just be a symbol that was used in place of a swastika. I, personally, didn’t know it was a totenkopf, or that word, until this controversy. To someone who doesn’t have that knowledge, it’s the equivalent of a decepticon symbol. Are the people that put that on their cars actually secret cybertronians?

            People who are still hanging onto this don’t believe people can change nor do they understand that what might be considered common knowledge online is certainly not known by every person. And most of these people seem to be authoritarian supporters, left, center, and right.

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              Most of these people promoting the “secret Nazi” idea also didn’t know what a SS totenkopf was before the story broke. It’s an obscure symbol that looks like a lot of common symbols, not a swastika.

              On the topic of bad history schooling, I don’t think my high school required history classes even made it to WW2. I feel like we covered the period from the pilgrims to the Civil War year after year though.

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              I mean, the joke of the Platner race is how much of the national media conversation probably never makes it to the average Maine voting household.

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          The woman who started Ladies for Kavanaugh specifically to descredit Christine Blasey Ford’s rape allegations is going out of her way to say that he knew what the tattoo meant - so he almost certainly did not.

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            I see. And when he still had it 20 years after being a checks notes mercenary for blackwater?

            Can we maybe do better than a stupid “maybe, maybe not” Nazi next time?

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              We are all flawed but maybe we can find someone less flawed, historically makes better decisions and doesn’t outright guzzle the military industrial complex. I smell feterman vibes on him.

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              Graham Platner himself says he was a piece of shit during this period of his life and struggled with PTSD. He’s owned all of it. If you read his Reddit comments too, he does discuss the tattoo in depth and makes it pretty clear that many in the military get these types of tattoos without regard for the historical context, kind of like how people get “punisher” tattoos that work in law enforcement. A lot of these people are black or brown even, but they do it because it’s just a cultural thing in the military. Not saying it’s a good thing that should continue, but just that it doesn’t strictly identify people as Nazis. Actually, a lot of Platner’s comments on Reddit make it clear that he is pretty left, even identifying as a communist and democratic socialist. So, I think the kind of attacks you’re making are very shallow and we just have to look a little deeper to find the real story. Also, we should ask ourselves if we believe in redemption, especially for someone who struggled with PTSD. Also, recognize that letting Collins win is far worse and this race is about far more than whether this guy made some mistakes in the past. Do we want to see more MAGA republicans on the Supreme Court? Do we want a senator that rubber stamps Trump’s agenda? Do we want a senator that will continue to cut taxes for the rich, or one determined to raise them on billionaires?

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                its a shame that every argument in favor of Platner needs to be “well, he is better than the Republicans.”

                Some day we are going to get a candidate than is objectively good instead of just being better than the worst possible option.

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    That headline is one of the stupidest things i have ever read. The dude is a politician, its perfectly fine to attack him with a political motive. Any attack on him would be politically motivated… If someone does things that are morally reprehensible, then they should be attacked for it.

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      The point the headline is trying to make are that they are baseless, they are making a mountain out of a molehill, it’s a smear campaign.

      The zionists, the oligarchs, the pedophiles, are all scared he will be elected and be a loud voice against them for like 6 years.

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        The Zionists and oligarchs are not afraid of a was criminal who went on 5 terror tours and loved his time killing brown people so much he got a Nazi tattoo to commemorate it, by his own gleeful unapologetic admission. His portrayal as progressive should insult you, not make you jump to defend him and accuse those accuse him of sexual assault of being liars so conveniently.

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      If someone does things that are morally reprehensible

      Well, that’s the rub, isn’t it?

      Graham Platner cheating on his wife is the worst thing in history. Susan Collins green-lighting multiple genocides overseas, while callously turning her back on constituents snatched up by ICE goons, is above reproach.

      Meanwhile, Ken Paxton cheating on his wife is a private matter and fake news and only a woke transgender illegal communist would mention it. James Talarico met his wife at Good Luck Charles (Austin gay bar) and eats a turkey leg like a vegan and spent half his life as a minister where he claimed God didn’t have a gender. All of that is also supposed to be super bad.

      “Morally reprehensible” is just “whatever the Democrat did” updated daily.

      And yeah, the headline is baby-brained. But that’s American politics in a nutshell these days.

      Graham Platner’s critics are operating with a politically motivated double standard.

      Should have been the headline as it gets to the nut of our Zionist media priorities.

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        Also, a reminder that Susan Collins is a home wrecker. Her husband started an affair with her while his first wife was dying of cancer. He ultimately left his dying wife for Susan Collins.

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      You’re missing the point entirely, probably because you don’t have the context. The NY Times worked with a Heritage Foundation political operative that founded the Ladies for Kavanaugh political group to accuse him of “abuse,” which they were not able to substantiate. It’s politically motivated because the NY Times, although liberal, is a Zionist paper that would rather have a pro-Israel Republican in the Senate than a Democrat who calls the events in Gaza a genocide.

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        I mean it explains why this headline is attempting to defend him, but the headline is still stupid. It should just read “The Attacks on Graham Platner Are Unsubstantiated”

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          But that is burying the lead again. Are the attacks unsubstantiated because legitimate victims simply cannot prove definitively that they were assaulted or put in a position of discomfort, or are the attacks unsubstantiated because they were made by a clearly partisan political actor? If you really don’t want to use the words “politically motivated”, you’d have to add to your headline that they were made by a pro-Israel, Ladies-for-Kavanaugh founder in order to accurately portray these attacks.

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      Platner said he and other Marines received the tattoo while on leave in Croatia in 2007. I believe this claim has been corroborated.

      Not saying Dick Cheney put a gun to his head over it, but there was certainly no shortage of fascist political leadership in the US military that year.