You bring up some valid concerns about the connection between the wiki and forum - and it’s something we were bouncing around on how to best implement. My guess is that as our community grows, we can better adjust and adapt to find the optimal solution.

As of now, the premise is to have a wiki page for each project that acts as documentation and the actual “home” of the project - as it also allows people to contribute with version history and etc. meanwhile the forum “projects” category will act as the platform for discussion and networking. I will be the first to admit that the implementation may very well be flawed, but is meant to act as a starting point in which the community can nudge the platform to evolve in the direction that will suit the majority.

As for the distinction of this platform and others, I go a bit more into depth on the wiki about pages and such, but I’m short it’s that:

1. We are not a niche community. We want to bring people from different backgrounds together to collaborate and network. (Eg: GitHub is mostly programmers)
2. We encourage small contributions. We want to remove the stress and commitment of needing to dive all in to a single project, and instead foster the community itself, so that people can contribute small things to multiple projects, bolstering the open source and creative commons as a whole, rather than any one single project. (Hopefully that makes sense.)
3. The goal is to have this platform/community be “community owned/managed/etc”. Granted I am currently paying for th server and domain name, and someone has to have the “keys” to the system to protect sensitive data - but I back up everything to Codeberg so that if I die, disappear, etc… another individual can simply reupload the data and start another site. (A few trusted admins have full backup capabilities as well). In addition to just backups, I want the community to actually have individuals step up and take more active roles - have a group of stewards of the commons, rather than owners or founders. How this will work in practice I am not yet entirely sure…but the underlying intentions are that ownership of th community should belong to the collective, with individuals acting as stewards of the platform in the best interest of the majority.

Hope that answers the questions? Also, thank you so much for the thoughtful feedback :)

PS: if you’ve joined, I would appreciate it if you would post on the forum or upload your projects…as the more activity we get, the easier it will be to get new members on board and engaged.

Noted. Will add it to my to-do list. Thank you :)

Copy paste from another comment asking about LLM/AI use:

For a more detailed writeup on our current views: https://unfinishedprojects.net/wiki/About/Ethics

But in short, we don’t want to dictate the parameters for each project, and want each project to set their own requirements. We do have a “notice”/“banner” on the wiki that we ask people to utilize for each project to be clear and transparent about their requirements for AI/LLM use in each project.

Same as I was going to ask. I am not familiar with any ne s reference piefed - granted I’m probably out of the loop since I’m not really a religious user of social sites.

Our platform is self hosted, not a piefed instance, but federated.

Also, I’m not tracking anything with piefed…is there some negative news about piefed?

@[email protected] is there any chance you might be able to clarify this? Is this the case, or am I mistaken?

This is part of NodeBB forum software, and settings in your user profile you can adjust what you receive. I think (unless I am mistaken, and I simply need to adjust the settings) that this is a blanket statement that covers the forum admins to adjust settings without violating consent. I will need to do some more research if this is even changeable on my end (both technically & legally).

On our end, we are hosting the nodeBB forum on a VPS, and are not doing any sort of telemetry or data gathering (except that information that nodeBB gathers for site usage data), and we don’t send any digest emails (other than what the individual sets up in their profile settings that get auto sent through the software).

I know that doesn’t necessarily fix the issue, but hope it at least clarifies it a little. I will look into this issue further though.

That is good advice, thanks. I will try that out.

And yes, I constantly remind myself to take it slow. . . But I seem to rarely listen to myself haha.

Yay! You’re the best ;)

If you have any projects or discussion to share, it would be much appreciated - as often the beginning stages are the hardest since there is not much content to interact with for new members

Ours is federated too :)

All super valid points, and I agree. I really appreciate the feedback :)

As for the “one more place to go”, I agree that I hate having more logins and such, but it felt worthwhile to have a dedicated space its own if we wanted to build a community that was more closely knit. The structure of a traditional forum allows discussions to last and not get buried. A small compromise is that the forum is federated, so each category can be accessed from the fediverse.

As for initial content - that was the plan, and we will slowly be working on it, but sadly I burnt myself out on actually creating the platform and needed a break - and now I am reattempting, but am currently in the process of IRL things that are preventing me actually working heavily on content/value for initial landing. But hopefully we will slowly be able to get actual content up to prevent the issue you described.

TLDR: I completely agree with you, and hopefully we will address the content issue eventually. In the meantime, I figured I would try to spread the word and hope a few individuals might be willing to add their projects or ideas.

We’re trying to be more than just coding projects, and really any project that is not under a closed license.

Just as an example, a couple of us designed board games. It can be things even like world building, CAD projects, tinkering, craft blueprints, etc.

While FOSS is pretty much centered around coding (the “software” in FOSS) we want to build a community where people can collaborate on more than just code.

Not sure if that makes any difference or not, but I figured it was worth pointing out :) - either way, thanks for the interest!

I’m honestly not sure how we will handle it as we grow, but for now I think that posting your project in the forums is more acceptable if you want to discuss it, but aren’t sure if it’s going to be openly licensed yet. As for the wiki, we will likely be more strict about the open licenses, since it is intended to be more of a collaboration space where others will contribute and adapt.

If you want to post about your project on the forum and you think you will likely pick an open license, just mention that you don’t yet have a license picked out and explain the situation.

Like I said, as we grow - we may get more strict with this if it’s taken advantage of, but if it’s posted in good faith and stated clearly, I’m ok with it for now.

Thanks! hope to see you over there. Since we are in the early stages of trying to establish our community - every interaction and contribution is greatly appreciated to get us off the ground :)

As for the layout - yeah it’s the layout that the software nodeBB has set, and we could look into trying to customize the layout to something more intuitive. Thanks for the feedback :)

As for the potential for abuse - you’re right, of course - there will always be potential for abuse. However, the open source and creative commons community is what we are trying to align our community with, and will hopefully also contribute to building the community culture of collaboration in good spirit, without focusing so much on profit or business, but more on the collective good.

Thank you. The preset alt text in the markdown threw me off, as I thought the text was the url. It should be fixed now. Thank you so much for the in depth answer :)

I would love to, however I am not exactly sure how - Do you mean the alt text for the link? I can add a quick note below the image that says alt text, is that the best way to handle it? Sorry for my ignorance in the matter.

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I think would be helpful to have a login button somewhere instead of one having to get all the way down to a topic.

The Forum Login is in the top right of every page (if the menu is not expanded, it will simply be an icon - so I could understand how it could easily be missed):

Login on the wiki is currently disabled (invite only) as we are currently still developing and building up the pages. But wiki login will be in the bottom left:

Are you writing anywhere about how you are doing this? Tech stack, team members, etc…

I don’t have anything super detailed yet, but I am trying to be extremely transparent with anything, and all of that is on codeberg: https://codeberg.org/UnfinishedProjects (Currently it has wiki backup info, “projects” is our kanban for building the platforms (we did most of it on another app, but just switched over to codeberg projects, so there is only a few tasks open atm). As time goes on, hopefully we will be able to flesh this out more, as well as actually building wiki pages with more information and detail - it will likely just take some time and motivation to get it all together. Also, since you mentioned tech stack - I just want to note that these are pre-built applications, we are not building them ourselves. The forum software is using nodeBB, and the wiki is using MediaWiki.

New project submissions, such as https://unfinishedprojects.net/wiki/Special:FormEdit/Submit_Project, should be behind login.

It most definitely SHOULD be. The entire wiki requires login submit or edit anything. If that isn’t the case, please let me know and I will try to fix it asap…but I think it should be disabled.

Lastly, when I see this “The Libre Community” makes me think that this would be even nicer if it was for all creators

We did think about allowing projects that were not open licensed, but it felt like there was too much room for abuse or issues. We want to prevent people from trying to use our platform to simply advertise - and instead it should be about collaboration. I think on the forum, we may end up being slightly more lax in terms of libre only projects (we will have to see how our community grows). As for the wiki, closed licensed projects could also cause legal issues that I don’t want to deal with or know anything about.
With that said, we do want to invite everyone, from any skillset or background (as long as you are respectful to others and the intent behind the platform). Nothing is stopping people from networking on our platform to meet others who want to start their own (closed source) projects outside our ecosystem, but projects within on our platform are intended to be contributing to the commons (open source/creative commons).

Not sure if any of that made sense, or it was just me rambling on - but I hope that answered your questions. Feel free to follow up if it didn’t (☞ ͡◉ ͜ʖ ͡◉)☞

Wow, never knew this existed. I usually don’t use gimp all that much compared to inkscape - so I’m not sure if it’s worth the trouble…but this is very nice. I honestly don’t know what they wouldn’t pull these settings into the default gimp, even if only as an alternative skin option you can select.

The major drawback of gimp for many people is the interface, I think. That’s why blender has really taken off since it’s UI/UX update.