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  • Wow talk about false equivalency.

    Environments are designed for forest fires. They need fire to function. Which is why there are intensive control burn programs.

    The issue is before we began trying to let our forests burn properly people spent decades not burning the forests and trying to stop every fire immediately. This led to way too much fuel being available and combined with climate and you get fires that are outside of what they should be naturally. Hopefully we can continue to correct to the point where we can let fires burn naturally. Sometimes people struggle to understand that we’ve been shaping the environment for decades and it’s going to take decades of work to fix. Just walking away would not have the intended result.

    Anyway back to the need to cull or manage hunts, you clearly have no idea the ecological issues overpopulation causes. When populations get out of control you can have an environment that becomes completely overgrazed. This is a disaster for the plant communities, and causes ripple effects throughout the whole ecosystem. Leading to the extinction of threatened plant and animal species and a loss of biodiversity.

    Naturally it would not get to that point. We should reintroduce predators. Until then it is absolutely necessary to cull some species. I’d much rather people go and kill a couple hundred deer every few years (most parks do not do yearly hunts) than to lose vulnerable species.

    And like I said it’s not the hunters preventing predator reintroduction it’s primarily ranchers with a helping hand from NIMBYs. Truthfully I’ve never heard a case of hunters saying anything at all about reintroduction.


  • Yeah I spent the better part of my adulthood working to preserve lands with the park service.

    Over population happens it’s an issue. Some parks like Yellowstone have been able to reintroduce wolves. It was great. Other parks actually host hunts. However sometimes when populations get out of control people have to go and cull species. Culling is most wasteful imo, and expensive for public lands

    I’m sorry these are the facts. Ecology doesn’t really care how you feel about it.

    Also recrational hunting didn’t cause predators to go extinct. That was a direct action of the government paying bounties to kill North America’s natural predators. Wolves would have still been killed by farmers, but the hunting was driven by the government then.

    Personally I prefer reintroduction of predators. The issue is it gets political fast and every farmer within 500 miles of a planned reintroduction calls congress and lobbyists get involved. When that option is gone, managed hunting becomes the most effective in terms of practically and cost to manage populations.

    Please stop comparing scientifically backed land management to conservative dog whistles