Congratulations to hawaii for attempting to invent US democracy let’s see how it goes
I’m not optimistic the Supreme Court will decide to start being an impartial arbiter of the law and let this stand instead of continuing to be actively pro-corruption.
The power to create and limit corporations has been the exclusive power of States for 200 years and upheld multiple times in SCOTUS.
Hey suggesting we kill state legislators is I’m not sure that’s allowed
lol
That’s all you have to say for inciting violence
Where did they incite violence? They posted a list of state legislative leaders after stating that the power to regulate how corporations behave is a power left to the states. Seems like what they are advocating is that people contact their state legislators and demand state level regulation of these corporations.
Well excuse me for assuming it wasn’t a wacky bit where you just tell the government your subversive beliefs. I still think recommending self harm is scary
The Roberts court has no problem overturning precedent, no matter how “upheld” it has been, so long as it is convenient for conservatives.
Narrator: It wasn’t
The power to create and limit corporations has been the exclusive power of States for 200 years and upheld multiple times in SCOTUS.
Dude, stop spamming.
fuck you. this is important. take a break from the internet if its bothering you so much.
I’m subscribed to these communities because I do pay attention to politics. I read what you wrote the first time. Lemmy is small enough that I get to see everything each day, same as you. Repeating your message as often as you do blunts it to the same emotional effect as a mattress commercial.
Why are you trying to personally attack me? What did I do to you, except encourage you to follow the rules on lemmy.world?
Several times in the same thread? That makes me want to click on it exponentially less.
Hey guess what: The world doesn’t revolve around you.
You’re full of personal attacks. You came right out of the gate with a “fuck you”, then you think I’m a main character. Man, I hope you find some peace, cause you don’t have any lately.
Really though, spamming is against the rules. You should stop if you want to continue participating on this instance.
yea cuz you’re being annoying and contributing nothing. Also hypocritical by choosing to engage me after complaining that I was spamming. I’m going to block you now.
Yeah, it always has been. We know. The legal framework of corporations and their ability to donate to campaigns is just not the actual problem here.
https://youtu.be/oBGpEcPrbso?t=212
Well I’m not going to debate your nihilism. You can curl up in Platos cave and die. That’s your right.
Nihilism is when you think nothing has any meaning, not when you critique someone’s theory of action as delusional
Criticism requires substance. One can be nihilistic without it being your central world view.
You have nothing to lose writing your state level contact. You’ve already wasted significantly more time espousing defeatist propaganda.
You have no idea what I have or have not done. How many letter writing campaigns I have participated, how many representatives I have contacted about what topics. Moralizing will get you nowhere with me.
The reality remains that legal restraints on corporate funding of candidates is deck chairs on the Titanic and no appeals to the importance of Feng Shui on the psychology of the passenger is going to move that iceberg.
The power to create and limit corporations has been the exclusive power of States for 200 years and upheld multiple times in SCOTUS.
I really appreciate that you can stay optimistic at this point in time. Precedent kinda stopped meaning anything to the Supreme Court a while back, Roberts still plays the act of being legitimate but that’s just his ego trying to protect his tarnished legacy as Chief Justice.
If they don’t take this case and deem it a limitation on free speech I will be fucking shocked. And when they do take it the amount of money that gets thrown at them will be outlandish
But wtf are SCOTUS gonna do about it? They can’t reign in a senile clown. As if they’re gonna do anything California or New York gives a fuck about at this point.
But if that’s your attitude for real you don’t get to wag a finger at the DNC for “not doing enough” anymore.
Now call your local rep and do the work democracy requires of us
They don’t want to rein in the senile clown, they’re pulling in the same direction. States getting the idea that they can limit corporations is an idea that, I suspect, they will want to quash.
It’s both but again wtf are they going to do? At this point SCOTUS is illegitimate. If they try to exercise powers over the states that contravene precedent or the constitution it will only legitimize States disregarding their authority.
ALSO
Hawaii DID this. There are people whose JOB it is to know if this stuff will work.
You’re describing a constitutional crisis and potentially a civil war, and it’s been building since even before Trump launched his campaign.
I hope that states start standing up to the Supreme Court about this and other issues, i don’t think they will at least for this issue, state governments can be paid off just like feds, and additionally standing up to the Supreme Court will be a huge risk to whichever state tries to do so. Even though we are all aware they are illegitimate, there’s so much loyalty to the process and decorum
I see what you’re hoping for I just don’t have any faith in any section of the United States governments actually doing anything that brash to stand up for what’s right
I just don’t have any faith
Jesus said the faith of a mustard seed can move mountains. That’s more than enough to contact your state rep and be a part of the solution.
Americans still have power on the state level. That’s why we’re seeing them pass bills ensuring their electoral college votes go to the president that gains the majority of votes.
Well Jesus can use his then lol, but until he stops being a superstition I don’t see how that’s possible. We ain’t voting our way out of this shit
Suggesting we murder state reps is pretty extreme there are a lot of those guys
lol
Pepperidge Farms remembers stare decisis.
Crucial placement of comma
Wait where? I love that shit
You didn’t watch the video you shared?
I thought you meant in the title.
I watched it once before switching to articles. Except for the part I’ve been linking from 3:20 onward that explains how it’s a constitutional power.
I must have missed the part about the comma. TBH I haven’t delved into the minutia of the laws themselves. IMO if Hawaii already passed it based on the analysis of legal experts than my role is to get the word out.
We all know how this is gonna go. We’re all aware that corporations are people and that money talks and is therefore speech. Stopping corporations from using their money to influence politics is therefore a first amendment violation…
Wish I was joking, but I guarantee someone will argue this.
They’ve been making that argument since the the 14th amendment
That’s the exact argument this subverts. I encourage you to read https://www.americanprogress.org/article/addressing-questions-surrounding-hawaiis-bold-move-to-undo-citizens-united/ for more information.
I’m aware, but when have facts ever stopped these people?
Since we started taking their bullshit sitting down.
