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    22 hours ago

    Is this really where we’re at? I’ve seen like five like this on here just today. Where are these wildly extreme views coming from? I need actual sources that are not simply other memes.

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        12 hours ago

        But these articles indicate that neo-nazis are involved. I read that as they are present, but they are not representative. This is like saying that all of USA are pedophiles because of their orange-faced, democratically-elected, and still-in-power leader…

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              11 hours ago

              There were Jewish Nazi collaborators you fucking idiot they’re not mutually exclusive. Also nice job showing everyone you lack the capability to respond you fucking child. Answer the question how many times do they have to come out and give honors to Nazis and Nazi collaborators before it’s representative?

              Average pro banderite government turbolib:

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                11 hours ago

                Your question is invalid. You want a clear, partisan response that reinforces a myopic world view. I talk to you like an insolent child because you act like one. The reality of the situation in Ukraine is far more complex than a few journalists, buzz-terms, or a few memes can encapsulate. You don’t actually want discussion or debate. You want to believe you spotted something that few others have. I think you’re missing about 99% of the detail required to help you form a question that I actually would be interested in engaging.

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                  Thank you for the word salad you massively arrogant idiot. The answer for most people is 1. If Amerika, Germany, France etc decided to name a military division after a Nazi division or rebury Nazis/Nazi collaborators with state honours every reasonable person would be able to point and say this is a problem that needs fixing. The fact that you have a hatred of Russia is not allowing you to see it in this case. I’m not asking you to be pro Russia simply to realise that modern Ukraine has an issue (which it very clearly and well documented does).

                  You want to believe you spotted something that few others have.

                  No it’s really well documented hence all the links you idiot.

                  Also “oh it’s so complex they really had to do all these pro nazi things” is cope for idiots. Grow up you petulant child.

                  I actually would be interested in engaging.

                  All you’re clearly interested in doing is prostrating before Nazis in Ukraine for being anti Russia.

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        12 hours ago

        It’s very odd. I’m trying to work out if its pro-Russian activists hijacking a largely unregulated and slightly obscure social networking platform or if it’s just extremist lefties who’ve gone so far to left they’ve gone around the back and reappeared on the far right! Either way the absence of (or presence of shit) moderators is noticeable here…

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          Marxist-Leninists typically critically support the Russian Federation for it’s progressive role in opposing imperialism, presently spearheaded by the United States and secondarily from the broader west, such as the UK, France, Germany, and the various settler-colonies and imperialist coalition groups. Lemmy.ml has always had MLs.

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      It means that their enemies are fighting fucking evil. Don’t you want people to fight fucking evil? Or would you rather the people fighting fucking evil lose to the fucking evil?

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        Either way evil is winning, so I’d rather the evil that is attacking to lose. I would rather the evil that is currently pushing innocent people out of their country to not be doing that anymore.

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          So then you want the US to lose? Or are you limiting all of your thinking to this one specific location and time? Because if you want the attacker to lose, then you want the US to lose. Since 1992, the US has attacked over 14 countries. Russia has attacked 3, all of them border conflicts. The US is the attacker, pushing people out of their countries all over the world.

          And let’s be very clear here. The Russians see this as a proxy war with the US. The US sees this as a proxy war with Russia. Both sides have said so. Ukraine doesn’t deserve to be a US proxy, because US proxies get shredded in the name of advancing the interests of the US.

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              Right, so, in the case of the proxy war between the West (helmed by the US) and Russia, it also makes sense that we want the US to lose in Ukraine. Not because in that case the US fired the first shot and crossed the border, but be sure the conflict is fundamentally predicated on US hegemony and the fight against it. Ukraine is only still at war because the West is pumping billions of support into it. And the West only does that to support its own interests. If Ukraine had lost after their 3rd complete military loss, instead of more and more tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, training, mercenaries, and logistics being pumped in to prolong the conflict, there would have been far more peace and far less destruction. Ukraine needs to lose for the US to lose.

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          I’d rather the staunch ally of Israel and the one oppressing minority ethnicities in the Donbass region not be doing that any longer. I also wish that it no longer plays a similar geopolitical role as Israel, as a forward outpost for western imperialism to force neighboring countries into bending the knee.