A new report by legal experts has found that efforts to ban Germany's far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) could be successful — but there would be political dangers to such a move.
Okay? First you used it as an example for a violent expression of disdain for German culture by migrants. Now you’re saying it was one of the catalysts for the shift of public perception of problems resulting from migration.
Christmas markets have previously been targeted by vehicle-ramming attacks, such as the 2016 attack in Berlin.[13] That attack, perpetrated by the Islamic State, killed 12 people and injured 56 others.[14] Minister of the interior and community Nancy Faeser said in November 2024 that there were no “concrete” threats to Christmas markets,[15][16] but that it was wise to maintain vigilance.[16]
Two weeks prior to the attack, an Iraqi man was arrested on suspicion of planning an attack against a Christmas market in Augsburg, Bavaria.[17]
If your argument is that we should see migration as a threat because a handful of radicalized people committed heinous acts of violence, I’m out.
To conflate migration and terrorism is intellectually bankrupt and reprehensible.
Sure, these terrible events did affect the public’s view on the issue of migration negatively. But to infer from them that everybody who tries to find a better life in Germany is guilty by association (except for those delicious skilled professionals we can exploit, of course) is a take I cannot condone.
The absolute majority of people moving here simply want to build a good life for themselves and their families, just like everybody does. Will it change society to some degree? Absolutely. But what’s so terrible about that. “German culture”, whatever that is, will not suddenly vanish, just because there’s some pluralism.
And believe it or not, many Germans actually enjoy to live in a more diverse environment. I know I do.
Uncontrolled migration is a threat. The AfD is a threat. Permitting only those with talent and needed skills will increase diversity and also stop the AfD.
At least you classify the AfD as a threat…
Nobody’s advocating for uncontrolled migration, that would benefit neither the people already there nor those arriving. But deciding their fate based on their utility for the work force is inhumane.
Why not invest a little, educate them, and provide them chances they wouldn’t have had otherwise? Investments in education pay out manifold after only a couple of years.
Many of the fields that desperately need workers don’t require a PhD level education anyway.
Even if you approach migration from a purely economic angle, it is absolutely necessary to ensure the continuance of the German standard of living in an aging and shrinking society.
Needed skills don’t equate to highly educated. It could be construction worker. Limiting immigrates to those with talent and needed skills is a way to control the border and benefit a country.
I agree with the first part oft your comment. But don’t you think that providing people from abroad with the means to build those skills here is worthwhile?
Is it such a prohibitively expensive undertaking to teach somebody how to do construction? With the added benefit of them learning it with the tools and work environment common in Germany?
I’d argue it’s necessary even. By cherrypicking only fully educated/skilled workers we won’t be able to counteract the rapid decline in working age population.
It would be cheaper to admit those who already have the needed skills. Construction work requires physical strength and enduring harsh weather conditions. Some people aren’t suitable for this.
Or… you could meet people where they are and help them build the skills in a field they are interested in.
We need workers in all kinds of industries.
I hope you realize how distasteful (to say it politely) it comes across to wish for workers you don’t have to invest in that you can exploit for physically taxing labor in the hot sun. If you catch my drift.
Okay? First you used it as an example for a violent expression of disdain for German culture by migrants. Now you’re saying it was one of the catalysts for the shift of public perception of problems resulting from migration.
No apparent reference to my reply.
That seems to be his strategy. Or he is part of the American population that has below 6th grade reading comprehension. Who knows.
Yes, classic Moving the Goalpost fallacy. Basically an admission of having weak arguments.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Magdeburg_car_attack
Christmas markets have previously been targeted by vehicle-ramming attacks, such as the 2016 attack in Berlin.[13] That attack, perpetrated by the Islamic State, killed 12 people and injured 56 others.[14] Minister of the interior and community Nancy Faeser said in November 2024 that there were no “concrete” threats to Christmas markets,[15][16] but that it was wise to maintain vigilance.[16]
Two weeks prior to the attack, an Iraqi man was arrested on suspicion of planning an attack against a Christmas market in Augsburg, Bavaria.[17]
If your argument is that we should see migration as a threat because a handful of radicalized people committed heinous acts of violence, I’m out. To conflate migration and terrorism is intellectually bankrupt and reprehensible.
Sure, these terrible events did affect the public’s view on the issue of migration negatively. But to infer from them that everybody who tries to find a better life in Germany is guilty by association (except for those delicious skilled professionals we can exploit, of course) is a take I cannot condone.
The absolute majority of people moving here simply want to build a good life for themselves and their families, just like everybody does. Will it change society to some degree? Absolutely. But what’s so terrible about that. “German culture”, whatever that is, will not suddenly vanish, just because there’s some pluralism.
And believe it or not, many Germans actually enjoy to live in a more diverse environment. I know I do.
Uncontrolled migration is a threat. The AfD is a threat. Permitting only those with talent and needed skills will increase diversity and also stop the AfD.
At least you classify the AfD as a threat… Nobody’s advocating for uncontrolled migration, that would benefit neither the people already there nor those arriving. But deciding their fate based on their utility for the work force is inhumane.
Why not invest a little, educate them, and provide them chances they wouldn’t have had otherwise? Investments in education pay out manifold after only a couple of years. Many of the fields that desperately need workers don’t require a PhD level education anyway.
Even if you approach migration from a purely economic angle, it is absolutely necessary to ensure the continuance of the German standard of living in an aging and shrinking society.
Needed skills don’t equate to highly educated. It could be construction worker. Limiting immigrates to those with talent and needed skills is a way to control the border and benefit a country.
I agree with the first part oft your comment. But don’t you think that providing people from abroad with the means to build those skills here is worthwhile?
Is it such a prohibitively expensive undertaking to teach somebody how to do construction? With the added benefit of them learning it with the tools and work environment common in Germany?
I’d argue it’s necessary even. By cherrypicking only fully educated/skilled workers we won’t be able to counteract the rapid decline in working age population.
It would be cheaper to admit those who already have the needed skills. Construction work requires physical strength and enduring harsh weather conditions. Some people aren’t suitable for this.
Or… you could meet people where they are and help them build the skills in a field they are interested in. We need workers in all kinds of industries.
I hope you realize how distasteful (to say it politely) it comes across to wish for workers you don’t have to invest in that you can exploit for physically taxing labor in the hot sun. If you catch my drift.