A recent study published in Scientific Reports suggests that political beliefs are increasingly linked to the number of children Americans choose to have. The findings indicate that while conservative individuals tend to maintain birth rates near historical averages, left-leaning individuals are having significantly fewer children. This demographic trend provides evidence that differing birth rates are a main driver of recent fertility declines in the United States.
The data revealed a pronounced change in how political beliefs relate to family size. For individuals born in the early 1900s, political orientation had almost no association with the number of children they had. However, beginning with the cohort born between 1943 and 1947, a massive divergence emerged.
“We expected these results, but not to such a dramatic extent,” Fieder told PsyPost. From the mid-century cohorts onward, individuals with right-wing political views maintained birth rates at or slightly above the replacement level. The replacement level, typically considered to be 2.1 children per woman, is the rate needed for a population to replace itself from one generation to the next without immigration.
In contrast, the birth rates of left-wing individuals dropped sharply, falling well below the replacement level in the more recent cohorts. The authors noticed this drop aligns with historical changes in family planning. “We found that the gap began with the introduction of modern contraception,” Fieder said.
wait, so you’re saying milking people for ALL the cash is causing people to not be able to afford… kids? Wow. I mean, this is a shock. A shock i tell you.
Can we all just admit that Mike Judge and Etan Cohen are prophets?
Another “no shit” problem but still valuable to know
Yes yes we all have seen Idiocracy.
G O O D G O O D G O O D G O O D
1.There’s too many people on this planet 2. They won’t give us even the basic amount of respect 3. Less people to take care of those who caused these issues
Just like animals, humans don’t like to breed in captivity.
When given the choice, women choose to delay having children and they don’t have as many children as they were forced to before contraception was available.
The economy doesn’t help, but it’s not the main driving force.
You will find that men agree to the same extent.
Right, but men didn’t gain contraception access and education and career opportunities the same way women did.
They already had it.
I’ve been fed that line that I’m selfish for not wanting kids. I ask them why they had theirs. They’ll feed me some BS, but we all know the majority had them for selfish reasons.
Not having kids with the state of the world the way it is is pretty selfless. I respect that
Yeah the choice to have or not have children should be regarded with much more respect by everyone.
Not everyone in here is child-free by the way.
I assume most of the people here have kids.
Ah so you decided to feed all of us the line that we’re selfish for having kids in a comment where you’re complaining about being told you’re selfish for not having kids.
Thanks for clarifying.
I said the majority of people have kids for selfish reasons. Why did you have kids?
Does it matter? We shouldn’t judge others’ personal decisions for their own lives, right?
I judge those that judge me, but thanks for clarifying. I never said there was anything wrong with having a kid for selfish reasons. I just think it’s important to be honest with one’s self.
When we put our thoughts out into the world, sometimes people will respond to them.
I hope you have a great end to your week and have a relaxing weekend.
I feel so guilty for having my kids. In all my life I never expected this to be reality. I hope they forgive me.
People have been having children in terrible conditions for a long, long time. I like to focus on the small joys when I start to feel this way about having kids.
Remember the joy you see on their faces when you’re spending time with them. Celebrate their cleverness and their love. Focus on building your real community around you for them and for yourself. Help neighbors. Grow plants. Reconnect with the good parts of life.
We all make decisions with what we know at the time. It’s easy to beat ourselves up when we have more information and wisdom than we did before.
Very kind of you to say, thank you.
How long before we are just mass growing babies in petri dishes and decanting bottles on an assembly line like brave new world?
That’s way more expensive than forcibly impregnating imprisoned women. Once we put all these psycho lefties into the camps, there will be plenty of worthless childless women who can be put to work restocking our wage-slave peasant numbers. They’re currently working on the means by which to round them up. We got official “trump derangement syndrome” diagnoses in the works. We got impossibly high prices on everything, which forces people to do crimes of survival. Anyone saying any left wing thoughts can be imprisoned for life on terrorism charges. They already started doing the life imprisonment for people who have ever written down anything left of center, but they’re still working on forced identification of everyone on the internet. Once the “age verification” shit gets worked out and they know exactly who posted what, it’ll be super easy to round up all the lefties.
Eventually the only escape will be suicide. If it came down to it, I’d end things on my terms rather than be enslaved to be a baby maker.
i think it’d be more akin to the kriegsmen being mass produced in iron wombs ala 40k, personally.
Who Wants to Grow a Baby?
Pilot episode.
“Joel, you’ve had some experience in this arena before. Willing to let us know where Sample 1 stands?”
“Sure, Candy!”
sip sip sip
swish swish swish
spit
“This semen has a smoky flavour, but not from the test tube it was stored in. It’s more acrid, and heavy with PFSAs than you’d expect, leading me to conclude it comes from the southern Arizona region. Historically, sibling pairing has been noted in that area, and this drop doesn’t do anything to disabuse me of the notion the donor is, indeed, the offspring of brother and sister. All in all, a fairly inexpensive affair, but still unable to justify the price tag. One to be avoided, I think”.
Considering the attack on IVF, I don’t think that’s what conservatives have in mind for the solution to this supposed problem.
Yeah they clearly plan on the easier, cheaper, and more vile option: forcing pregnancy onto people via denial of access to contraceptives
Also, the lack of Pirates causes climate change: https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikaandersen/2012/03/23/true-fact-the-lack-of-pirates-is-causing-global-warming/
Isnt this one of the beliefs of Pastafarians?
The data shows that belief in pastafarianism is caused by understanding the difference between correlation and causation.
Are you trying to make a point that correlation does not equal causation? Cause I have been scratching my head wondering what your comment has to do with the current discussion in this thread.
Yes. To quote the Forbes article:
So, when someone proposes a cause and effect relationship between two things - reduction in pirates causing global warming; Obama creating the global economic crisis; young people ruining American business - ask for the data that shows they’re related, rather than simply that they’re happening at the same time.
This type of shit is coming through I guess and blame always goes to opposition, and running party is having dozens 🎉 I mean they running 🏃
Translation: people who recognize this shit sucks and don’t want to inflict it upon a child happen to be leftists.
This sounds like the study was funded by anti abortion losers. Contraception isn’t the problem, its billionaires, lobbyists, and politicians making it utterly unaffordable and morally wrong in multiple ways, but only left leaning people would even consider holding back on having children based on how much suffering they would guarantee their own children by merely giving birth to them.
conservatives think people should have more children and the study finds they do in fact have more children. i don’t see what the problem is here
According to the research I’ve seen most people don’t have kids because they don’t want to have kids. Significant amount also can’t afford it. Everything else (like worrying about wars, climate change, healthcare etc.) is not that significant.
True, if anything, there are a lot of people who have kids and wish they didn’t.
“People having kids and wishing they didn’t” is due to a lack of options, social pressure, ostracism for choosing abortion, the stigma of remaining childless, and a whole bunch of propaganda.
People choosing not to have kids because they don’t want them is a relatively modern lifestyle.
For most of history, people having kids wasn’t so much a choice as it was something that happened to them.
People have kids because making kids is super fun.
It is still happening I hear
Unless you are being willfully obtuse, you either misread or ignored the intent of my comment.
Also correlation is not causation. People living in denser cities both tend to lean left and have a higher cost of living, which makes a family less practical. People living in rural areas tend to lean right, have a lower cost of living, and live closer to more family, which makes starting a family of their own much easier.
Did they correct and account for geography? Urban vs rural have different living conditions and other influential factors.
Just a few obvious influences: My cousins had some food advantages being on a farm as its a little easier to keep pigs and chickens. Meanwhile in the Tristate area I had access to better medical. Education was a toss up in someways in that I had a lot of economic advantages at the cost of over capacity (FFF: Facility and Faculty always gets Fucked with the budget). My long time partner grew up in Wisconsin and just my graduating class was bigger than her entire high school, middle school, elementary.
Oh no.
Anyway.
Pretty much, in meat-space the only people ive seen who actually think this is a problem are conservative bellends or economists.
Okay, so young people are a lot more conservative than before because left-leaning people don’t have kids. Enjoy losing every election?
I’ll enjoy my remaining years and die content I didn’t add another life to this stupid meat grinder of a planet.
Well, it’s not like conservatives raise conservative kids at a one to one. How can you be sure leftist gene is passed?
No, we need to build giant breeding factories and cull the non believers in their youth!
Oh My God! I can walk again!
Just a wee bit of well placed eugenics and we can finally overcome that pesky Southern Tribe once and for all!
Forcing leftist women to have more children than they want sure isn’t the solution.
I don’t want to force anyone, I’m stating a clear problem
It’s not a problem. Women choosing how many children they want and when they want to have them is not a problem.
There are people who want you to think it’s a problem so they can be allowed to strip women of their reproductive rights.
Women who want to have kids but can’t afford them is definitely an issue
Then you haven’t actually read many articles about this issue. You’ve just read headlines and assumed.
40% of women don’t have kids because they can’t afford it
