• lorty@lemmy.ml
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    9 hours ago

    Have they forgotten that, in order to write history, they have to win?

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    11 hours ago

    The Nuremberg trials were infamously ineffectual (even arguably more performative than anything) and led to many high-level Nazi officials being given extremely lax sentences or even being acquitted. I hope this is more of a basic analogy than an actual example they would wish to follow.

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    16 hours ago

    They could also have some Nuremberg style tribunal for Israel, that would also be appropriate,.more so if you ask me, Israel has done far worse things than Russia

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      14 hours ago

      War crimes are not a competition. The actions of both Israel and Russia are crimes against humanity and should be treated and prosecuted as such.

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      Well, the ICC and ICJ are more than capable of handling most war crimes, including the ones committed by Israel. This tribunal would exist to fill a hole in the jurisdictions of the international courts: To prosecute the crime of aggression. Russia attacked first. It’s incredibly clear cut. Israel and Gaza is more complicated. Here we got a circle of escalating violence. That makes it a lot harder to prosecute them for this specific crime.

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        15 hours ago

        The violence has been one sided for a long time now, and also the numerous cases of Israel targeting civilians and inhumane treatment of prisoners. All well documented, nothing complicated

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          I’m not defending Israel, I’m really not. All I’m saying is that the Israeli war crimes fall under the jurisdiction of the ICC and ICJ. You don’t need a dedicated tribunal to prosecute them. The same is true for Russia, except for this one crime that they definitely committed and Israel maybe didn’t commit. This one crime and only this crime needs a dedicated tribunal. That doesn’t make the other crimes any less serviere. It just means that the international community made a mistake and forgot one war crime when setting up the international courts.

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            14 hours ago

            Ok ok, thanks for the clarification, I wrongfully thought you meant their crimes were less severe

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        15 hours ago

        That arrest warrant is worth less than toilet paper. Many countries have just ignored it and invited him anyway

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          It’s not. It severely limits the number of countries Netanyahu can travel to without being arrested at the border. Sure, several countries have explicitly stated that they won’t honour the warrant, and that severely hurts those countries diplomatic capital. At the same time, Netanyahu (and others) are among very few political leaders that have the risk of arrest hanging over them if they travel to most countries.

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          14 hours ago

          That’s not the fault of the ICC but of the countries that by doing so undermine and refuse to recognize the ICC.

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    16 hours ago

    Lmfao okay sounds like an idea created by dipshits for even bigger dipshits.

    Nothing will change except the netherlands won’t seem like impartial pussies for about 5 minutes.

    How long has it been now? Holy fuck.

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        A little over 80 years ago, why? Does the far(ish) past suddenly make up for the inactions of the present? You can claim whatever you want but you haven’t actually done anything lmao.

        You do understand the majority of those people are dead, right?

        • Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Where’s this influx of accounts with aggressively shitty opinions coming from lately?

          Every other post lately has a comment by one of these fucking accounts on it, did reddit ban some massive community of centrists who can’t think critically or something?

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            There’s been a massive push to try and induce anger to incite a “civil” war. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just paid bot accounts through one of the Israeli or American or Russian or Chinese intel ops

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            Haha sounds like you’re beat.

            Btw i havent used reddit in years as if that somehow changes my opinions. Seems like you don’t have enough valid points to make any arguments.

            Reddits bitch made cousin. At least they’d have something worthwhile to say.

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          They were held after the war ended, once the Nazis surrendered.

          Obviously there can be no “Nuremberg-style” trials of Russian war criminals unless they actually lose the war, or after regime change in Russia.

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            16 hours ago

            So whats the netherlands doing to exacerbate russias loss besides strong words?

            Anything recent that other countries haven’t exceeded?

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              So whats the netherlands doing to exacerbate russias loss besides strong words?

              Delivering artillery, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, ammunition, air defense systems, radar systems, money, etc.

              So what I understand from your reasoning, reading all your comments, is that a country is not allowed to offer war crime tribunals after a war, unless they did enough in that war themselves according to your standards? Could you elaborate your reasoning?

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                Ohhh what was that again 500mil total over years!? Lmfao that’s crazy work to assume you can hold anyone accountable for anything while doing the bare minimum.

                Do better or shut the fuck up. I’m sure you’ll keep running your mouth though.

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                  Ohhh what was that again 500mil total over years!?

                  Actually, 7.66 billion between januari 2022 and April 2025. After the UK and Germany The Netherlands is the third most contributing country in Europe, according to Zelenskyy.

                  Lmfao that’s crazy work to assume you can hold anyone accountable for anything while doing the bare minimum.

                  The judicial system doesn’t work like that. A judge shouldn’t be a part of the conflict when they hold a tribunal. A tribunal is a way to hold war criminals accountable for their war crimes. It’s the task of the judicial system to judge based on the facts of these crimes, not on the contribution of the judges themselves.

                  I am wondering, where are you from and what is your part in this whole conflict which makes you so hateful towards parties speaking out against Russian war crimes and willing to hold them accountable?

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              I think you already know the answer to your disingenuous question, which in any case has little to do with the willingness to host a trial.