Has anyone tried this? It’s discord reverse engineered.
This wont go anywhere until they have an app that is easy to download. And then everyone says Revolt/Stoat but that doesnt even fucking work cause their verification system is ass (probably because they use gen AI to code) and also is difficult to download the mobile app
I set this container up yesterday. Technically it’s running. But all the settings are in the fucking sql db, and I know fuck all about sql other than drop tables is funny meme from xkcd. But also, ignoring the settings, I would like to point out that there is effectively no client. I mean, there are two official ones - the depreciated one, and the alpha one, and the alpha one has a total of 4 releases with the newest being two years ago. How do you deprecate a client when the server is still in alpha? What the fuck? And on all pages it screams ‘this is alpha testing software, do not use as a daily’. Also the docs are, uhh… rough. If rough was falling 4 stories into a bed of poisonous cacti. It took me 3 hours to get the container running properly and finally poking at the db. It’s as organized as my bedroom (‘it’s somewhere in this dresser, I think…’).
The idea, the potential, is brilliant. Literally everything about getting it working though…
Lots of great software ideas out there. It’s always the execution, availability of resources, and the reality of capitalism getting in the way.
Containers = Yet Another Attack Surface.
I mean, that’s true regardless of how it is running. If the service is externally available, it will be probed for vulnerabilities. At least with a container, you can ward off what files it has access to, so an attacker can’t just ransomware your entire NAS with a single vulnerable service.
3 years of abandonment? Absolutely not.
Where are you getting three years of abandonment from? The branding repo OP linked was last updated 10 months ago, while the server repo appears to have had pretty steady development for the last month at least (as far back as I bothered checking on mobile)
Why would one use this rather than just using something like Matrix or self-hosted Stoat? I’m not sure what it being “Discord compatible” really gets this project. Bot compatibility is nice, but aren’t most Discord bots closed source anyway?
Well, Stoat sucks and has no vision or history of reasonably paced development. So, it’s more of a vaporware wish then actual software.
Because Stoat is also riddled with problems and Matrix is a dysfunctional hot mess.
How is Matrix dysfunctional?
Where do I even start…
- The verification process constantly breaks
- Sessions get randomly unverified
- Pictures aren’t being send occasionally
- Their client is a UI/UX catastrophe
- Room Events are incompatible (esp. w/ Element X)
- The “experimental” voice rooms are total trash, settings are not working (e.g. auto-gain can’t be disabled)
- The Calls via Jitsi somehow have a worse UX than Skype had in its worst days
- The verification via emojis uses different emoji styles, missing the point completely
- Due to the session mess “Can’t decrypt message” will be your best friend
- Even if you got a verified session it sometimes fails to decrypt a message
- The federation is SLOW. As in “wait many many minutes” slow.
- The whole Spaces-with-detached-rooms concept is a mess
- There’re no proper moderation tools
- There isn’t even a god damn admin panel! For the longest time you had to MANUALLY CURL THE API. Even today you have to mess with third-party admin panels that usually don’t have all options exposed
- Encryption is nice, but Matrix leaking tons of metadata isn’t.
- They effectively stopped developing the Element client in favour of Element X, which isn’t available in desktop. And also loves to break during verification.
- Third-party clients sometimes work better, but certainly don’t expect anything but text chats with pictures there.
I really tried to like it, I even attempted to move a community over, attempted to self-host, all the jazz. It’s a steaming mess for years now with no end in sight, and literally everyone who tried it eventually left disenchanted. Don’t even bother trying it.
In the proper timeline the superior proprietary platform Axon beat out Discord.
The cumulative hours we’ve lost screwing around with the manual placement spacial audio on Axon… When it went tits up we switched to Mumble tho
HHhhmm… Do container/docker install option. This is why it’s probably stagnated in adoption from the selfhosted community.
It needs a container based install, no one likes installing dependencies and crud onto their pristine environments any longer.
It’s just not mentioned prominently https://github.com/spacebarchat/docker
last commit 3yrs ago… seems unmaintained
Docker compose’s don’t really need to be maintained though. As long as the app doesn’t need new components old docker composes should work.
EDIT: Oops, it does look like spacebarchat’s docker images have last been updated over 2 years ago:
https://hub.docker.com/r/spacebarchat/server
EDIT2: Although this is outdated, I think their github repo has an action to autobuild docker images on pushes. Still investigating.
EDIT3: Okay, they don’t seem to be actually ran.
But using nix to build a docker image is pretty cool.
EDIT4: Oh shit, the docker image build workflows were added just 2 hours ago. Of course they haven’t been ran!
Docker support soon, probably.
EDIT5: the workflow ran, but it looks like it’s private for now.
You got my heart racing with the twists!
Right? Reading that was like watching an action movie!
It’s weird that the server has a .dockerignore file without a Dockerfile.
Seems like they’re working on Docker build actions right now according to some other comments
