You dont get it though two things can be true at once which is why I can still gargle state Department balls while i pretend like im not

Kopf. Kampf means “fight” or “battle”. Kopf means “head”.

Since this post is now more than a day old and therefore not likely to be seen by new people, there is little reason to continue this interaction. Therefore this will be my last response to you, you sad cretin.

Wowza. You seem to be carrying a lot of luggage into this.

Zoinks, hmm, ehm, uhm, and other faux affectations to show how above it i am.
No baggage, Im just pointing out what you are doing. I was going to suggest this as part of the next step in the flowchart: Condescention and fake affectations.
The only one who seems to be dragging things into this is you - The person who takes answers to their questions to be a challenge to them instead of what they are: Answers to questions.

Why do you think you need to make the jump from ‘racism’ to ‘othering’? Doesn’t that qualify as ‘moving the goalposts’?

Racism is Dehumanising. Dehumanising is othering. Ive been talking about that the whole time. You trying to initiate a meta-discussion, instead of relating to the subject at hand is another poor attempt at changing the subject.

I could also just point to me writing “othering is probably some kind of racism”, but we both know it dont matter because you barely read this, youre just looking for something you can nitpick.

Do you ever use ‘othering’ in your normal language?

Again, finish the discussion we are having before trying to start a new one.
When we are done with this one we already have several queued up, I recommend we start with the one about “calling everyone from a nation by a stereotypical name from that place is not racist” and then we can move on to “the Empires in WW1 werent racist”. After that we’ll see if we have time to fit in a chat about my language (I’ll give you a preview: Billionaires aren’t human).
Before we get to any of that though we also have to have you acknowledge the arguments Ive made, which you so far fail to do. You just drop that talking point and continue on with new bullshit.

Furhermore and back to the OT: where do you meet all those people who call Russians “orcs” anyway? For me that’s like something I noticed in Ukrainian propaganda back in '22-'23 but didn’t take off at all and since fizzled out.

Oh so you do realise youre just spewing bullshit trying to change the subject? Neat!
I see it everywhere. Though I suppose since you dont experience it, it doesnt happen.

“directly addressing” is when you try to argue about a bunch of other slurs instead of actually talking about the one at hand - And other poor rhetorical tricks you can learn on reddit.

Maybe try starting a sentence with “I dont think calling Russians orcs is dehumanising or racist because…” and then find some other argument than “because i dont find slurs racist in general”.

Better yet you could also start a sentence with “youre right, now that I think about it, calling a group of people by the name of Tolkiens evil race of malignant industrialists, is probably not too good. It is kind of othering - i mean its literally calling them not human. That’s probably some sort of racism. Seeing as how my question was just what racism was directed towards Russians and you gave me an example, that probably the end of our interaction. Id have to be super weird in the head if I were to try to turn this into some sort of debate. Anyway thank you.”

So maybe the fact you need to misquote me to try and wiggle your point fits that accusation better instead, lol.

Maybe the fact my paraphrasing is an accurate synopsis of your world view means something, since youve not engaged with it beyond this one vague comment just here. Did the mirror i held up your racist redditor face sting?

Do you think you could visually distinguish a Russian from a Ukrainian?

Oh since they look like each other they cant be othering or doing racism. Ill have to inform the Hutus and Tutsis of this. Ill have to send a postcard to the Yugoslavian delegation.

Do you think aesthetics is the only thing determining racism? In Europe people are racist as fuck towards romanians, the Polish, eastern Europeans in general, despite them all being white and generally looking like so many other Europeans. When i was a kid italians were still seen as an exotic other and the memory of the spanish guestworker was still recent.
The fact some people look alike does not mean they cannot be othered, which Ive made clear to you a bunch of times already. Just because people look alike doesnt mean you cant be racist towards them.

You also seem to be stuck on the idea of this being exclusively something ukrainians say, despite this being introduced by no one but you. Yet another sad attempt at moving goalposts. Plenty of people call Russians orcs, plenty of people fearmonger about them. OP didnt make a post titled “ukrainians specifically are racist towards Russians”. And the rhetoric online about Russians is racist. You just refuse to see it. When it is pointed out to you, you get very defensive. One can guess why.

Of course you already understand this. You started out by asking how someone could be racist towards Russians, yet very answer has just led to you trying to show off your poor debate skills, rather than what a normal person would do - acknowledge and appreciate the answer to their question.
Its pretty clear what youre trying to do and pretty sad you suck so much at it.
One could make a flowchart that would predict your behavior, its so cookie-cutter.

This pejorative is good and not at all dehumanising because of another pejorative which I also feel like is good.

Behold: The height of liberal intelligentsia.

The amount of pretzels that could be made from your linguistic twistings would feed the world. Instead of just accepting that yes you have dehumanising language and yes the rhetoric about russians is racist, you instead end up in a situation where you have to end up justifying various pejoratives.
Calling russians Ivan isn’t racist at all, just like how referring to indians as “pajeets” is totally fine as well.

Not that this has anything to do with my initial statement which was that russians are called “orcs” a fantasy race of evil destroyers. You trying to move the goalposts and change the subject is obvious and sad. Instead of trying to find other pejoratives that you think aren’t really that bad how about you try to relate to what is written?
Not being able to admit to any fault is a sign of a deeply unhealthy mind.

Thanks for the heads up

I feel like the dehumanising term for the enemy that the ukrainians use is more like the nationalistic dehumanising terms that were used in the old days

Yeah wow you got me there, that’s not at all you making my point for me. The way we dehumanise russians today has historic traces, which mean it’s totally good.
As we all know the nationalism of the european empires was totally non racist.

Its actually not racism to call them orcs. Its actually super valid to fearmonger about how the evil slavic horde is just foaming at the mouth ready to invade the entire world, despite the fact France has invaded more places since the 90s.

Orcs.

Yeah constructive criticism like calling them the slavic horde the vile hun untermenschen orcs or making up stories about them not having paved roads or flushing toilets. The enemy is weak and also strong

Ummmm achually America has become authoritarian under trump it wasn’t before though

Ah yes because the only way one can influence politics is by directly making the decision.

A national defense council or something like that, I forget the name, made the decision. And the decision only lasts while they’re under martial law.

Oh well since it’s legal and they have to do it due to martial law I guess their hands are twisted. Such unfortunate circumstances really.

And it’s parties with ties to Russia, the country actively invading them. Boo fucking hoo, the invader’s allies are restricted.

I personally think it is a bad thing when habeas corpus gets dissolved. I think it’s a bad thing when you get arrested because the government does not like who you associate with. Even if my government were to think my associates are undesirables. But that’s just me, thinking you should be free to do stuff like talk to people. Or write in Russian. Or speak russian. Or vote. Or at least vote in the regions that aren’t actively invaded, which is part of the whole martial law thing. But that’s just me, thinking people should have their democratic rights protected. I suppose if you’re a fascist you think it’s awesome when ethnic minorities get persecuted, the freedom of assembly gets destroyed, the right to vote, the right to speak out and so many other rights get suppressed, is awesome. Especially since it’s legal to do. It’s not like governments ever lie or anything, it’s not like there’s any reason to doubt their motives, it’s not like the political parties that get targeted are very conveniently the ones in opposition. It’s not like politicians ever try to construct a narrative about what they do.
In fact I remember when Putin invaded he said word for word “I am invading Ukraine. I don’t care what people think. I do this because I am evil, I want to make Russia bigger and I am jealous of zelensky. I order this personally and in spite of the popular will.” That’s how it works after all. These guys can’t lie, so he must’ve said that.

I’ve got my dunks in, so I’m gonna block you now, since it’s obvious you’re too thickheaded to understand what is being told.

Lmao this mf out here citing Wikipedia! What’s next, gonna quote freedom burger institute?
My guy even you dipshitted quote implies what imperialism actually entails.

obviously I just don’t understand what words mean!

Admitting it is the first step

I did, I just wanted to explain whyi people don’t always interact in the best way possible with “arguments” online

When it’s the 1000th time you run into the same dumbass trodded-through pinkwashing of american empire, you tend to get a bit snarky. It’s like a flat earther demanding to be taken seriously when they yell about curvature or whatever.

Imperialism is when a country does stuff, capitalism is when a country has modes of production

Seriously if there was one tendency I could remove it’d be the one where people pick up stuff through cultural osmosis and then act as if they know anything about it, without ever actually doing any proper research into it.

Oh well since it’s legal then that’s alright. Guess slavery is fine too, as long as the constitution says it is.

Whataboutism is a made up propaganda concept popularised by a zionist and spread by the CIA.

“Imperialism is when a country invades another country under any circumstance”

I fucking hate how you libs sling out terminology you do not understand. Imperialism isn’t just a word used to describe when “bad country does military stuff”. It’s an academic term, it’s a part of capitalist exploitation, it’s an actual process, not just some word every dumbass can shit out to describe what they don’t like. Imperialism is when I fuck your mom.

Even when you routinely bomb civilians?

?? Even amnesty has noted that Russia is the ones to make civilian escape corridors from areas under siege, while Ukraine shells them.

What western propaganda does to an MF. Get out of the echo chamber.