Communist

yes, but none of them use your definitions, those are colloquial ones not used by any communist philosophers.

That’s not true at all

Socialism - any system of government where the workers own the means of production. This has nothing to do with welfare or healthcare or any of that, just that the working class owns the factories and other private property. (The marxist and original definition of private property is property that generates capital, not your toothbrush, which is personal property. Same with your home.)

communism - a post socialist system where the workers own the means of production, currency has been abolished, there are no class divisions or state (note the marxist concept of the state is probably not what you’re thinking if this is new to you.)

Socialism - any system of government where the workers own the means of production. This has nothing to do with welfare or healthcare or any of that, just that the working class owns the factories and other private property. (The marxist and original definition of private property is property that generates capital, not your toothbrush, which is personal property. Same with your home.)

communism - a post socialist system where the workers own the means of production, currency has been abolished, there are no class divisions or state (note the marxist concept of the state is probably not what you’re thinking if this is new to you.)

Socialism - any system of government where the workers own the means of production. This has nothing to do with welfare or healthcare or any of that, just that the working class owns the factories and other private property. (The marxist and original definition of private property is property that generates capital, not your toothbrush, which is personal property. Same with your home.)

communism - a post socialist system where the workers own the means of production, currency has been abolished, there are no class divisions or state (note the marxist concept of the state is probably not what you’re thinking if this is new to you.)

Itt: countless people who have never read a single work by a communist or socialist philosopher.

Socialism - any system of government where the workers own the means of production. This has nothing to do with welfare or healthcare or any of that, just that the working class owns the factories and other private property. (The marxist and original definition of private property is property that generates capital, not your toothbrush, which is personal property. Same with your home.)

communism - a post socialist system where the workers own the means of production, currency has been abolished, there are no class divisions or state (note the marxist concept of the state is probably not what you’re thinking if this is new to you.)

So close until you got to communism. Cite marx.

That’s not true at all, socialism is just worker ownership of the means of production and not related to centrally planned economies. Lookup market socialism for a counterexample.

Socialism - any system of government where the workers own the means of production. This has nothing to do with welfare or healthcare or any of that, just that the working class owns the factories and other private property. (The marxist and original definition of private property is property that generates capital, not your toothbrush, which is personal property. Same with your home.)

communism - a post socialist system where the workers own the means of production, currency has been abolished, there are no class divisions or state (note the marxist concept of the state is probably not what you’re thinking if this is new to you.)

This is completely incorrect, cite any socialist or communist philosophers agreeing with you.

Socialism - any system of government where the workers own the means of production. This has nothing to do with welfare or healthcare or any of that, just that the working class owns the factories and other private property. (The marxist and original definition of private property is property that generates capital, not your toothbrush, which is personal property. Same with your home.)

communism - a post socialist system where the workers own the means of production, currency has been abolished, there are no class divisions or state (note the marxist concept of the state is probably not what you’re thinking if this is new to you.)

So? Aren’t they just wrong? Why reject the whole philosophy because some people are wrong about it?

I don’t see your point and you seem needlessly rude

You did not respond to anything I actually said and instead made a stock post.

voting for 3rd parties that are, for example socialist, shows dems what people are voting against them for. It’s true that this favors the gop, that cost is sometimes worth it to shift the dems farther left. If polls show a milquetoast stance on gaza doesn’t get you elected… I believe politicians losing over israel for example is why the dems are being pushed left.

i never said the third party stands a chance.

Are you no longer a communist over this? I don’t really see how your stance on immigration is very related.

inaction is, but voting third party allows strategy adjustment based on exit polling and what third parties got votes, which does actually shift things left.

You’re right. I forgot third parties were even an option. My bad.

They have data showing people don’t vote for them if they aren’t properly aligned with them on issues like israel. They then the one that tries to appeal to those things gets elected. Based on what you’re saying there’s essentially no point at all to voting or appealing to you, because you’ll vote for them no matter what. There’s only a reason to appeal to people if what you do changes whether they vote for you.

35% does not make worker ownership the principal aspect of the economy, thus it is not socialist.

Nobody is saying that, they’re saying to set a minimum standard to vote democrat so that candidates like this get elected. This is where they gloat and say they were right.

“The government controls around 35% of the total value of publicly listed companies on the Oslo stock exchange, with five of its largest seven listed firms partially owned by the state.[34]” good, but not socialism. Free healthcare and schools are not related to socialism.

they don’t though, they regulate it and apply some pressure, but these are still privately held, socialism is always in contrast to private ownership.

I don’t even get this: china and the ussr, were the fastest growing economies ever. Both had some famines at the start and then solved their famine issue. They went from poorest countries in the world to superpowers absurdly quickly. This is a nonsense point. The reason they were so strict and ruthless is largely cia selection bias, and has nothing to do with their economic system, yes. But their means of production issues and therefore socialism is far from the problem.