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Have you considered the possibility that, by “finding a bug” and possibly “suggesting” a “patch”, the LLM could be smuggling another bug unbeknownst to the vibe coder(s) and/or smuggling a technical debt?

I say this as someone who’ve been coding since my 8s (now I’m 30), someone who hasn’t the tribalistic anti-AI sentiment (I even use LLMs sometimes, particularly the non-Western ones such as Deepseek and Qwen) but understands LLMs enough to know how the (current, state-of-the-art) stochastic parrots shouldn’t be trusted the source code of any slightly serious project, especially a full browser that Firefox is. Chances are devs are going to blindly trust and obediently stage-and-commit whatever the parroting machine spits out, and this can end up really messy. Given the ongoing pivot to AI from Mozilla, I doubt they’re worried about the consequences of vibe coding, though.

@[email protected] TIL Philipp Mainländer, David Benatar and countless other competent philosophers were/are all teenagers doing teenager ramblings!

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As if it were a matter of caring or wanting/not wanting to use websites… It would be really nice to live in such a world where one could have the luxury of “choosing”. Unfortunately, it’s not this world for many people and many peoples.

To exemplify this, there are websites I, as a Brazilian, can’t simply choose whether to use or not, because there are government and bureau websites for services through which I’m expected to comply with citizen things I didn’t ask for (as I didn’t ask to be born in this world to begin with). Online services such as “DETRAN” (state-wise transportation bureaus where one must renew one’s driver’s license), which I remember having to click a reCAPTCHA in order to proceed with transportation-related citizen duties. I can’t have the luxury of saying “you know what, I’m not renewing my driver’s license which has become my ID for a plethora of services not even related to driving, which means I’m going ID-less and becoming a legally-indigent person in the eyes of the next cop that requests my ID”.

Hell, I can’t even choose to have a degoogled phone because our customs (Receita Federal) will likely deny the entry for any “unlicensed device” (i.e. devices not licensed by ANATEL, Brazilian telecommunication agency). And installing a custom ROM in any available device is not without the risk of bricking the device (and losing a monthly minimum wage worth of money spent with said device) especially for someone like me who never installed custom ROMs.

Again, would be really awesome to live in the world you described where one could afford “caring to use” things…

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“Some free advice? You ever get back there, you hoard toilet paper. You understand me? Hoard it. Hoard it like it’s made of gold. 'Cause it is.” (Chuck Shurley, Supernatural TV series, S05E04)

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LOL! It’s a funny thing from us Brazilians: whenever we see/hear mentions of either Brazil and/or unique national/regional Brazilian aspects, we tend to get this ecstatic feeling of “Brazil mentioned”. Glad you people enjoyed it! 😄

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Brazilian Portuguese: “Por gentileza, empilhe as cadeiras ao final do dia”.

If colloquial or more informal translations are desired:
- “Empilhar as cadeiras não faz cair a mão” (roughly “you won’t lose your hands if you take the time to stack the chairs”)
- “ô mossss, empilhascadêra fazenofavô?” (A very informal transcription from “Mineiro” (people from the state of Minas Gerais) accent for “Hey girl/boy, [can you] stack the chairs, doing [everyone] a favor [please]?”

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There’s an eccentric hypothesis I thought of: maybe people used the fossils alongside the surrounding stones for buildings, without ever noticing the fossil. This makes me wonder how many ancient constructions, from simple huts all the way to entire castles and fortresses, contain fossils as stones.

And this doesn’t even seem to be limited to fossils: if we jump to Neolithic onwards, then fast-forward all the way to contemporaneity, some of the artifacts from back then (e.g. figurines such as Venus figurines, clay tablets, vases, papyri, petroglyphs, etc) likely ended up as part of buildings. Maybe those artifacts ended up unwillingly torn apart and ground by heavy machinery (e.g. backhoes, other earthmoving machinery, mining machinery and drilling machinery for petroleum wells, although these often involves prospecting, etc).

The artifact doesn’t even need to be that old: I once saw a news story about someone who used a “hammer” for decades before discovering it was actually a WWII grenade.

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While part of the Cicada 3301 (and similar) puzzles and the techniques required to solve these puzzles revolved around cybersecurity (i.e. inspecting a website looking for vulnerabilities that would lead to a hidden webpage, or sandboxed environments where SQL injection were required as part of the techniques to discover a solution to the current step, etc), there was this multicultural factor, fun facts and trivias (e.g. nods to certain philosophical or esoteric books; the “cicada” itself is a potent symbol across mythology and philosophy such as Phaedrus). Then there were entire theories about the identity of those in charge of these puzzles; entire internet lores emerged, adding to the cultural factor.

Meanwhile, current cybersecurity events such as Hackathons, while truly interesting and valuable source of technical knowledge, these events seem, at least to my subjective perception, to be exclusively focused on cybersecurity with occasional (if any) cross-cultural nods (e.g. few to none “TIL about Ancient Egypt” moments).

And back in my initial post, I was also referring to what I could call “Cicada 3301 puzzle ancestors/derivatives/copycats” or, how it’s likely known nowadays, ARGs. Orkut and bulletin boards (dark web BBSes as well) used to have these random people suddenly posting challenges out of nowhere, challenges whose decipherment led to funny or ominous outcomes; people bringing lores and stories about how they were “time travellers” (inspired by stories such as that of John Titor; John Titor themselves was also an example of that).

I used to participate with several other people on trying to make sense of these puzzles and lores, I used to laugh at the funny theories that emerged and, well, we learned a lot of new concepts across disparate fields of human knowledge. Now it all feels a relic from a distant past. Maybe it’s just the nostalgia speaking.

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Pretty sure a lot of kids call them alternate reality games now

Exactly. One such example is the “TikTok time traveller”, something that became quite popular among TikTok youth when the “time traveller” (who was actually some kind of security personnel employee who had some clearance to get to usually-crowded places before commercial hours, before getting crowded) used to post ARG videos.

But past, grand “ARGs” often used to involve physical breadcrumbs such as the geocaching mentioned here by hendrik. Cicada 3301 distributed and glued pamphlets to public utility poles around the globe.

The closest thing kids got to IRL-based ARG puzzles nowadays would be that “Pokemon Go” game (that is, if this game still exists, given how its underlying purpose, which was crowdsourcing the training of delivery robots, was achieved)

Personally it seems to me like most have moved into videogames and game lore spaces

Yeah, pretty much this.

Also, maybe some niches within esoterica spaces (which is particularly the field that currently interests me the most) still persist, especially considering how the knowledge involving Hermetic Kaballah still covers ciphering-related concepts such as Gematria (letters as numbers, numbers as symbolically powerful) and sacred ratios.

Unfortunately I’ve been struggling to find these spaces since I left a Luciferian community I used to participate. It feels to me like either esoterica didn’t join the Fediverse, or esoterica groups could only be found in hidden invite-only instances (many of the interesting occultist art I manage to find is from mainstream platforms such as Facebook and Instagram).

Also other games have used these sorts of puzzles too, like noita, elite dangerous, and risk of rain 2 that had its most recent dlc page on steam initially drop with no fanfare and entirely ciphered.

Exactly. Kerbal Space Program too, with a SSTV easter egg when the player gets to Duna. Considering the way games are being “vibe coded” and enshittified nowadays, it’s becoming more and more of a relic from a golden era of gaming, sadly.

like the incredibly obvious hidden text in this comment.

It took me several minutes looking at your comment in search for a hidden message until… LOL! Now I’m thinking if it would be appropriate for me say “I spotted it” or “good one!” given the subject in your hidden message 🤣

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Well, computer programmers still do things like Project Euler and code wars. Some people go Geocaching and more organized events which include riddles and different places. We got Escape Rooms…

I recognize some of it. I heard about Geocaching (boxes and pen-drives hidden in forests and public places), code wars (is it code golfing? It’s something I often catch myself doing in a lonely manner) and vaguely about the other two.

People still listen to shortwave radio and figure out whether number stations change due to the Iran war

Oh, yeah, UVB-76 and similar! I used to listen to these. Also, part of my journey involves amateur radio, as well as tinkering with methods such as voice inversion, modulations and protocols (I once implemented from scratch the encoding method from “EAS broadcasts”).

I read people tried to use modern AI on the Voynich manuscript and other older riddles

As I replied to RoidingOldMan, AIs fail when it comes to uncommon ciphers. They can parse acrostics and, especially, poetically coded language, but they can only get so far with ciphers involving different ways of spelling letters or doing nested layers of calculation (they famously struggle with “how many r’s are in strawberry?” kinds of prompt). And, as I said to RoidingOldMan, ciphers and coded language seems to be a perfect weapon against the indiscriminate scrapping from clankers.

It’s probably all out there

Yes. Unfortunately, it feels to me like this kind of community became unreachable, and your next sentence perfectly explains why:

just the internet changed, and now it’s almost impossible to find in the big haystack and walled discord rooms etc

… and I’d add another aspect as well: algorithms. Back when I still used Youtube, I noticed how the “algorithm” was somehow programmed to shadowban ciphered content.

For example, I used to post videos involving ciphering/steganography and, when I tried to look up for my own content using a whole other IP as a guest (as if I were another person), my videos and comments were simply invisible (thus, a shadow-ban).

A similar thing seemed to happen for Facebook and TikTok. Those platforms weren’t removing the content, they were actually limiting the reach, and, well, there’s no purpose on publishing a content that won’t make it to anyone. There’s an unknowable amount of content right now lurking on social media platforms, but unreachable due to shadow-banning.

You’d (on average) be mindlessly doomscrolling there, these days. Not actively look for puzzles to solve.

I kind of do both. In Lemmy, I often doomscroll and consume. But I also creating things sometimes (even though I end up creating to the void). That’s why I don’t have a Lemmy account, but a Sharkey, because it offers both worlds: I can interact with Lemmy (as I’m doing right now) while I got a personal microblogging feed where I post the things I make.

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Not sure I understood your question.

You didn’t, but that’s okay. I was asking about my perceived lack of people’s engagement with content (not just mine) that requires some decoding, either technical (ciphers, such as Caesar, Vigenère and Playfair) and/or literary (steganography, such as the one I employed in my post) and/or symbolic (i.e. metaphysics references, “creative linguistics”, metaphors and “coded language”, semiotics). You probably don’t know (or don’t remember) the Cicada 3301 charades. I’m saying about things like that, from a time where the Web was a deep sandbox for creativity.

What you might think as a text may be, in fact, a carrier for subtexts. In such cases, the visible sings while the invisible screeches, but few can perceive and extract the high-pitched nocturnal screech beyond the clear song… even worse, some people can’t even fathom the song. And as someone who hoots and screeches in the night, I can’t help but miss the times where the world were more receptive to these screeches, now every high-pitched noise is said to be “AI” because of how AIs have been annoyingly beeping lately. And, to break the fourth wall, this very paragraph is such an example of a text with a subtext (in this case, symbolic/poetic language), this is what my thread is about.

If it’s on the internet archive, then it’s probably been scanned by AI.

Ciphering and steganographic techniques aren’t limited to the existing ones. I myself sometimes enjoy creating new methods, many of which are far from trivial for current Language Models to decipher (some of my techniques involve multiple steps for decoding, some involve conceptual references and semiotics). I tested the clankers against many of my creations and, in most situations, they all failed laughably.

Then the people, especially here in the Fediverse, often complain about LLMs but, as far as I can perceive (especially across the Fediverse), people seem to refrain from engaging with (or they’re unaware of) the very form of content that would protect them from LLMs, because those kinds of texts (such as this one I’m writing right now, and the one I initially posted) often “sound like AI” or something.

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The country I exist in (Brazil) passed an age verification law “Lei 15.211/2025” which, to a certain extent, is even more dystopian than Californian one. Because, at least, the Californian “allows” self-declared age, while Brazilian don’t. This means systems must employ mechanisms such as ID’ing, age estimation by selfie or behavioral analysis.

When UK passed their law, threatening and, to certain extent, effectively sanctioning even even non-UK “disobedient”, something happened: many sites and platforms started to geoblock UK. Many Fediverse instances geoblocked UK.

Brazil has a similar history of legal outreach, we had court decisions trying to enforce and rule over non-Brazilians. Something similar is expected to happen when it comes to this age verification law. So I’d expect a similar widespread reaction of sites and platforms geoblocking Brazil.

In fact, it’s already happening: in mere two days since the law became effective, MidnightBSD geoblocked Brazil, Arch Linux 32-bits (not the mainstream Arch Linux) geoblocked Brazil, and others are expected to follow, both distros and websites as well. Including the Fediverse.

This kind of law will hardly stay in the countries and USian states where they’ve been implemented. It’ll spread, because the narrative it’s wrapped with is too alluring and compelling (from emotional appealing “Think about the children!?” all the way to the strawman “If you disagree with age checking laws, you’re literally a pdf file”). So expect more countries embracing this dystopia. This means fewer and fewer places where it’s not a thing. It reeks of a coordinated agenda, especially because it achieves similar things that intended by projects such as Chat Control, PIPA/SOPA, among many other previous authoritarian attempts. The authoritarian found the correct recipe: wrap 1984 in a cute “children protection” wrapping, rinse and repeat.

Therefore, some Fediverse instances, especially those sitting under the hurricane’s eye (e.g. Lemmy Brasil) may end up implementing age checking, or stopping altogether if they can’t afford the additional costs of age checking (it won’t be a free thing for platforms to do; a trivial cost for giants such as Meta, Google and Microsoft, but unfeasible for, say, Fediverse instances and FOSS projects).

Now, regarding the “kid friendly” limitation: if the Web gets limited to “non-adult content”… what’s “adult content” to begin with? Is it just porn, or it may end up covering several non-pornographic things?

It turns out, and here I’m risking getting too off-topic, many things would end up beneath this purposefully vague terminology “adult content”, content from many vulnerable groups: LGBTQIA+ (check out what happened during the recent itch.io and Steam crusade against “adult games”), women, pagans/occultists, political dissidents and whistleblowers, among others. This is what age verification laws are about: silencing everything deemed non-normative.

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To be fair, no human law can account for metaphysics. If they truly did, there would be no laws: they’d be all ruled out as pointless and worthless before the cosmic vastness.

For example: how one could be held accountable for an action, when all action is a byproduct of a chain of causality beyond one’s control? Humans like to “think” we have “choices”, “free will”, “control”… Do “we”, though? When one’s own actions are a byproduct of intrinsic and extrinsic factors, when living beings are governed by so many nested layers of determinism (spiritual from Demiurge and his archons; baryonic with the laws of physics; biological with the limbic system; societal with social/herd compliance as depicted by Derren Brown), can it be really said there is “free will”?

And if we go deeper, there’s no point on having any kind of institutional structure when there is no such thing as structure on a universe made of primordial chaos, and Ordo ab Chao is but a temporary, recurring state emerging from said primordial chaos. In essence, nothing exists, not even the nothingness, so laws regarding time (from a timeless universe) and being/thing end up being moot.

Metaphysics itself, it turns out, is a very complicated matter. The script can’t fully understand the nature of the scripting itself; only, at best, babble about it, as I’m doing right now. Hopefully, the scripted character is fated to perform a line/scene where they meet scriptless forces, namely daemonic entities and/or Samael/Lucifer Himself, and/or Lilins and/or Lilith Herself, and/or Sophia, the Demiurge’s counterpart. Those aren’t bound by the same laws and possess actual True Will, especially Sophia who’s Demiurge’s polar opposite, whose essence is chaos/darkness swallowing Demiurge’s attempt of order/light.

My previous lecturing is extremely superficial, especially because I’m writing on a limited budget (3000 chars). Metaphysics, or at least the infinitesimal part I got scripted to know, would take up Qurans and Bibles and Vedas and Nag Hammadis combined worth of letters and pages. Maybe one day I’ll write a whole book about what I believe (which is a syncretic and idiosyncratic blend of Luciferianism, Gnosticism, Thelema, Hermeticism, Chaos Magick, Quimbanda, Wicca, Sumerian and Egyptian, etc., revolving around the worshiping of The Goddess and Her Emanations).

In this sense, suicide is part of the script. It’s akin to a program built with the sequence XOR %rdi, %rdi -> MOV %rax, 60 -> SYSCALL. My program has such instructions, but every time my EIP jumps to them and reaches the SYSCALL opcode, either rdi isn’t 0 or rax isn’t 60 anymore, “thanks” to demiurgal forces, so here I am, performing a lecturing about suicide in a mix of philosophy, occultism, sociology, biology and programming, as I was scripted by Demiurge to do (until Mother takes my essence outside this cosmic theater, somewhere Demiurge can’t rule over).

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Don’t take this as an attack

It’s okay, no offense taken.

where are you getting your news from?

Mostly from Lemmy, but also from Gizmodo.

Do people seriously believe that everything is AI in Windows now?

Tbf, it doesn’t help the fact that corps are shoving AI into everything they can and can’t. I’m far from being Anti-AI, but when we live in a world where everything is being AI-fied, I can totally understand the anti-AI fellows and their sentiment “Windows = AI”.

Recall is not yet live (it’s available as a preview feature), you have to enable it manually, and even then you can disable it easily.

As far as I read, it’s partially true. Not true, however, in cases when the PC was set up by someone other than you, e.g. in workplaces. If the company someone works to decides to enable Recall “to improve productivity”, anything done by the employee will be seen, not just by the employer, but by Microsoft too, not to mention hackers who will love to get their hands at this golden goose of private data.

They’re basically shoving the button wherever they can to goad people into using it, but that’s mostly it
It’s a button. […] Unless you click it, it does nothing other than taking up space.

Maybe. But the presence of the button, alongside the shortcuts for features “summarizing”, “auto-formatting text” and other AI-driven features, implies Copilot is a whole dependency on .dll/.exe related to Copilot, as well as potential unintended network comm with Microsoft servers.

“Purging” the OS from “AI-related crap” would purge it from AI-related crap and not break anything (source: did this on my previous work laptop)

Okay, fair point.

I agree about all the opt-out/opt-in stuff, but also understand why a company catering to 80% of the market defaults to opt-out - users are dumb, they have no clue how to explore features, so opt-in features remain forever disabled for 99% of them.

I heard the same during a discussion about Firefox here in Lemmy. “Users are dumb, so corp needs to guide them through the new features by enrolling them automatically”. Whenever I hear about how “users are dumb”, I can’t help but wonder how the so-called “dumb users” are allowed and able to drive a half-tonne car at 120kph or, even worse, (it doesn’t even need a license) voting (allowed responsibility over everyone’s lives)!

And then Apple does an update with an identical feature enabled by default, and everybody goes “damn, if only Microsoft thought of this!”

Maybe it’s because iThings aren’t socially pushed as Microsoft things are. You said yourself: Microsoft is “a company catering to 80% of the market” dominating the PC market, not Apple.

what “crime” you mean

Non-consensual relationship. Harassment. In this case, it’s software harassment disguised as dark patterns such as opt-off when it should be opt-in.

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Well, I confess I’m in no good position to say anything about Windows 11, for I’ve been a daily Linux-only user (Arch, by the way) for almost a decade.

However, as far as I’ve seen about Windows, AI (especially that spying feature designed to take screenshots and create a lookup-able timeline, “Microsoft Recall” if I recall (pun intended) correctly) seems to be so intertwined with Windows that even the Windows Explorer’s Shell has now a hard dependency on AI-related and Microsoft Edge-related libraries. This way, if someone were to try and purge the Windows from AI-related crap, it will break the OS, Explorer simply won’t launch.

Also, “can be easily turned off” implies something that comes enabled by default: the exact same dilemma behind Mozilla Firefox and all the crap they’ve been imbuing inside the browser. In the end of the day, it’s a non-consented relation. The fact it can be opted-out doesn’t make it less of a non-consented relationship, for the non-consented relation already happened as the user proceeds to opting-out of it. In other realms of legality, it would be considered a crime, but as it’s something done by corporations (Microsoft, Mozilla, Google), they it’s suddenly “a-okay”.

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Oh, I misremembered the file extension. Yeah, that’s right, it was edit.com, there was likely no .exe because it was a relic from before Windows NT.

And, BASIC… Such great times. Although the BASIC flavor I dealt the most with was Visual Basic (VB5 and VB6), I also did some tinkering with terminal-based BASIC flavors (specifically, Linux ports of BASIC interpreters) as well.

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generating ideas

LLMs don’t generate ideas, stricto sensu. They do, and I find it useful for esoteric (gnosis through chaos magick) purposes, output names and words unbeknownst to the user (this is how I, as an ESL person, learned some words I didn’t know before).

But if we consider hard determinism, do we as biological automatons, though?

learn to code

As someone who codes since my childhood, I wouldn’t suggest relying on LLMs for that. They could be used to output a descriptive text about some function or library, but you must know LLMs are statistical machines, the output text is a chain of “which token is the most probable next?”, an auto-completing only slightly “better” than, say, Gboard’s auto-complete. They “hallucinate” precisely because they rely on statistics and randomness.

Again: extremely useful as an “Ouija board”, not very useful for blindly relying for learning something, definitely not reliable for “vibe coding”.

Wanna learn how to code? Do the Elliot Alderson (Mr. Robot TV series) approach: find an existing “Hello world” project/source-code, tinker with it, change things here and there, try to compile/run, Google the exception that the compiler/interpreter thrown at you, change more things, break things, then fix the things you broke… This is exactly how I did. Let go of any hurry and you’ll likely going to master it eventually.

d&d […] I need a character […] it makes it up quick

Yes, this is one of the use cases where LLMs can thrive, as a dice with hundreds of billions of sides.

You may want to roll real dices, convert the number into the respective letter (A=1,B=2,…) then append it as a source of real entropy, because the randomness you get from LLMs is likely to be pseudorandom.

Ideally, you’d tune (using a RTL-SDR) to a blank radio frequency and digitize the (true noise) spectrum into ASCII, and voila: free randomness, straight from the Cosmic Womb to your computer!

get upset about AI “stealing” work with regard to code or other stuff that people willingly put out there for free for others to consume

Totally agree with you in this regard. Throughout the history, humans relied on other humans’ “ideas”. Most of the novelty stemmed from “what if I were to take this flamey thing that consumed the tree I used to sit on, and put it under this food?”, mashing up existing things. If we really were to appeal, evolution is that, merging two genetic sequences in an approximate manner while trying to replicate, still I don’t see humans accusing newborn of “stealing genetic work from their ancestors”.

definitely useful in a lot of ways, […] if […] developed on a more localized and decentralized scale

I totally agree in this regard, too.

To answer the main question: IMHO, people hate AI because it has been pushed and used by corps to further enshittify this world. I’m not Anti-AI, but I’m not pro-AI either. There can be nuance from both.

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Blindness can be a condition with which someone was born, or can be something acquired late during one’s biological existence. The very condition of blindness varies: some blind people get to, at least roughly, see shapes and forms (considered as “legally blind”, for example, in cases of extremely high myopia unable to be corrected with lenses, or some cases of macular damage)

In the one hand, racism isn’t restricted to physical appearance. There is racism against accents or the manner someone talks. There’s racism against the kinds of food eaten by certain cultures (perceived through smell and taste).

On the other hand, blind people themselves are often victims of prejudice.

Having said all this, I’d say racism doesn’t feel entirely correlated with sight. But maybe some correlation holds, and blind people would be more respectful and empathetic to others, especially given the prejudice they themselves experience.

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Good question. I’m not sure. I guess no, because, as far as I know, ed is a GNU editor which allows for composing and editing files in a REPL-like environment (whose specific commands, apart from “q” to quit, I’m yet to learn)

The “edit” I’m referring to was a spiritual antecessor or cousin of vim, emacs and nano. It was a TUI, full with a functional menubar accessible through keyboard arrow keys. I remember it having a blue background with gray/white text.

I remember with quite a certainty it was a thing for Windows XP. Was invokeable by using “edit filename.txt” in cmd.

However, I also remember having manually copied some executables across diferent Windows versions in order to test and see whether these old executables would work. I remember having successfully ran Windows XP’s calc.exe in some later Windows version, relying on the compatibility layer (“ntvdm”, I guess?). I remember doing the same for 16-bit, MS-DOS programs, but I don’t remember whether “edit” MS-DOS programs was included in post-XP Windows versions, or if I manually copied it from XP.

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Wasn’t there a lurking edit.exe or edit.cmd somewhere inside C:\WINDOWS\system32? Would make an interesting replacement to the enshittified “Not-e-pad”. But, then, I haven’t used Windows since Windows 10 was still a novelty (and what definitely pushed me to Linux… Arch Linux btw), so maybe I’m very old (“I’m old, Dean, very old”) to recall of a MS-DOS relic.