This fuckin shit can’t do most basic stuff mediawiki could since 20 years. Its hard to understand how this is a thing still.

Its a shame we spend money on that, it tracks with Polands servitude in stuff like CIA torture sites. The logic here is simple tho. If you check Polish treaties before WW2, and their lack of effect while 6 million (~17%) Poles were murdered with near compleat destruction of the country followed by 60 years of de facto occupation there are strong incentives here to sign deals with any devil, if it rises the chances of that not being repeated. Most people didn’t want to believe WW2 would start, no one anticipated how brutal it would be. We see what’s going over the border and get regular threats of nuclear bombs being dropped on us. Having as many other nations involved as directly as possible is one of the better deterrents and chances for support when shit hits the fan.

BTW how could you even coup an actually communist country, where all the power is in the hands of millions of workers? If you believe it fell because of a coup you either admit that soviet union was a dictatorship with a power centralised so much it would be possible or that it was nowhere close of workers control.

How elese you expect me discuss your claim that collapse of an empire spanning half of Asia and Europe was a western coup?

And I’m literally saying there has for a long time been a strong fascist/fascist movement in Ukraine, “the west” did not have to plant it. But you have such disregard for all people outside of your sect that you can not comprehend anyone else being self steering people making their own choices, however good or bad.

Local gabber kids group has a version as their motto; “it’s nice to be important, but its more important to be nice”.

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You even read anything of my comments? Or you just stuck on your script where everything outside of “NATO bad Russia good” is to much to handle? For the last years we’ve been constantly hearing about what we’re allowed to do in our borders from Russians regularly threatening us with dropping the bombs on us. What would legitimate self defence be for that if we were Russian ourselves?
Cuz it sure seems like Russia is the only nation on earth blessed to do anything it wishes against the will of us all living next to its borders. All interest of Russia is above any of the people of Eastern Europe, as westerners always believed. I’m so sorry to have questioned your wisdom sir.

Yes. Could you people at least pretend not to think you are better than every one else?

Could you explain to me why should its ex-colonies care about the faith of Russia? And for that matter why shouldn’t we side with the enemy of our oppressors?
Maybe you attach some absurd nostalgia to something that never was, but we’ve lived it. I have a soviet stampt in my passport. But now its nothing more than another capitalist oligarchic imperialist regime. You spin your exuses and supposed necessities of some imperialist bullshit but its people in the region who live this, not your imaginary chess pieces.

Class consciousness of the butchers of Wołyń, or your just attempting to randomly signal your supposed superiority derived from having watched some Marxist tiktoks?

What, giving monarchies power over people? Yes, you seem to be consistently in favour.

ukranian separatism, for example, has existed for centuries and was fostered by the monarchies of western europe as a foil against the russian monarchy.

So monarchical claims are your only perspective of peoples living between Eastern and Western empires? Great, great, wonder why people choose evil ideologies giving them at least the impression of being in charge, over your benevolent subjugation of them to any absolutist power in a 1000km radius.

a secret plan made by a group of people to do something wrong or illegal

You got a better term?

Yes, but how do they achieve that in a blink of an eye since the communism fals? Most of Ukraine has been under Soviet control since 30’s. That’s 70 years, easily 3 generations of people who were raised in it. Then magic, western capitalists elites drop ads for fascism onto people and they turn en mass? Maybe there were some other reasons for that than just the West’s doing? Or was it also capitalist ruling class conducting an antisemitic purge in Poland in 1968?

Not everything evil is nazism, theres plenty other brands of fascism. Not all nationalism is fascist (see IRA, PKK et all).

After 1991 fascism exploded in all postsocialist countries

Huh, just as if 60 years of soviet communism was not enough to convince people it’s a better option. Interesting. I do hope you do include Russia in that where it’s fascist movements, gangsters and capitalist cronies took over power and rule until now?

No idea where you get the numbers from, but if ~250k people is not a strong movement after 200 years of forced Polonisation and Russicization I dont know what is.

Even in 1991 iirc 73% of UkSSR were against dissolution of Soviet Union and independence of Ukraine.

Well, most of the ones who might have remembered anything but servitude were starved to death so that helps I guess. But who would even publish data like these in a collapsing state?

1991 illegal dissolution of USSR,

lol

and instead escalating situation.

Yeah, when he first used illegaly operating military personel in to size Crimea and the to be “peoples republics” and than drove Russian tanks into Ukraine that was a step to far, totally agree.

There was a nationalist/fascist movement there strong enough to conduct a genocide in the 40s, so maybe not everything you dont like is a western plot?

Maybe cuz it was soviet union untill about then?

Mate, why would I care about US media? I was around in the early 2000 and we were quite concerned about Russia butchering Chechnya. To the point of being very open to Muslim refugees, which is not something Polish society ever does. Also most of the population supported joining NATO and EU against our protests, for the very reason of threat from Russia. This empire has been our oppressor for some 300 years. Go bullshit some naïve westerners, not the people who’s right to self determination you freely give away.

So Germany was again collaborating with Russia against the will of central and eastern European states and Russia gives itself the right to determine what they do? We have been invaded by the Russian empire before, just as well as the Prussian.