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  • mholiv@lemmy.worldtoMemes@sopuli.xyzsystemd
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    27 days ago

    A few issues here.

    It’s very rapidly taking over the Linux ecosystem, limiting freedom to choose another init system.

    Nobody working with Linux professionally in 2026 would say this. Systemd has taken over and has been the defacto choice for a LONG TIME. The last production grade Linux to not use Systemd was rhel 6. Rhel 6 was released in 2010 and full support ended in 2016.

    Also no companies are using Alpine for “lack of systemd” Companies aren’t installing alpine Linux on bare metal outside of embedded devices. The appeal of Alpine Linux is containerization or embedded. Alpine Linux lets you release 20mb container images compared to 200mb for even slim Debian images. This is a great thing. But not related to systemd.

    If we look at what professionals working with Linux use on bare metal or even on non ephemeral cloud hosts we find RHEL / OEL / Rocky / Alma, Ubuntu LTS, Suse Enterprise, Amazon Linux, Azure Linux, and rarely Debian.

    Yes there are outliers but antivax doctors are outliers too.


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    27 days ago

    I do agree that in this thread you do are pressing into the “not anti” image. This being said that was not the case prior to this thread.

    Also there is no systemd “monopoly”. Systemd was chosen by volunteers at community centric distros like Arch and Debian, as well as by more corp distros like Redhat or Ubuntu.

    Those distro maintainers (volunteers and paid) looked at all the options and chose what they thought was best.

    Those maintainers also chose not to support alternative startup systems for the same reason why VW does not offer alternative chassis options on the VW Golf. (In this example the engine would be the kernel)

    Aka the maintainers don’t want to massively increase the workload they would need to do. Volunteer community distros only have a limited amount of resources and choose to allocate them how they will.

    Corpo distros just are being corps and want to save money.

    Using the term “monopoly” in this context dismisses the Linux community’s choice as developers and contributors. The Linux community is unique in that we are both the producers and consumers of the community project.

    I would recommend reading this mailing list announcement thread to get a better understanding. The Linux from scratch dev team explains why they went from offering a choice to a “monopoly”. https://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/sympa/arc/lfs-announce/2026-02/msg00000.html

    Edit: The announcement is wrong in that KDE in fact does not require systemd.



  • mholiv@lemmy.worldtoMemes@sopuli.xyzsystemd
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    27 days ago

    To any new Linux users, this is a good example of Linux “antivax” mindset.

    Actual Linux admins, people who use Linux at scale, people who design things and use Linux to do things disagree.

    There is a reason why Redhat, Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch all ship with and recommend systemd as the startup system. ALL as in 100% of large Linux deployments on bare metal use systemd.

    If you want to play with startup systems that’s fine there are obscure distros out there for you. Startup system swapping can be a fun hobby.

    But don’t be tricked by the very loud but very small Linux “antivaxers” group.


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    27 days ago

    But there is something weird about comparing any start up system to cancer. It was weird when Balmer compared Linux to cancer. It was weird then and it’s weird now.

    As someone else in the thread said „Rent Free“. It’s true.