Right, why does the guy look in a way that is reminiscent of internet representations of pedophiles and rapists?

Okay, I must misunderstand the joke. Why is Frodo scared?

It’s literally a rape joke.

Sexual violence. Funny.

I mean, not my home.

Unions probably would have gone a long way during all this.

Yes, almost like that’s why there’s a bubble despite the obvious disparity between both states’ ability to maintain an adequate infrastructure for this technology. US companies are looting with the full expectation that the cost of the economic fallout will be shifted to taxpayers. They’re getting as much value out of this before China inevitably becomes dominant even in the US sphere of influence as the US simply will never be able to compete after decades of neoliberal politics and the erosion of public works.

Lmao, you typed this still, why are you trying to talk to me?

Oh, I just realized you are referring to my calling liberals fascists and not when I call “socialists” liberals. Oh boy, wait 'till you learn about liberalism.

See, this is how you stop someone from talkin to you dummy: blocked.

Some were people who grew up in former Soviet states where simplified versions of socialist writing in the nineteenth and early-twentieth centuries were taught and they focused more heavily on the political structure of the communist state rather than the relationality and philosophical underpinnings of Marxism and socialism; structuralist and postmodern ideas didn’t even seem to factor in.

It’s true though, there has been a very intentional effort among liberals to appropriate socialist and communist ideas into their rhetoric as they have feminist, queer, and African American theory under neoliberalism. I’ve had classes where I have to explain what “liberal” means because it’s pretty much assumed it’s going to be heard the same as “progressive,” which has also been deprived of meaning but over a much longer period of time. Euros are the same though, and on Lemmy especially since it’s a bit more distributed among American and European users for a bunch of reasons. You see it on other platforms, but on here there’s so many Europeans who straight up think they’re altruistic socialists but presume everyone else agrees that colonialism is over and Europe is reformed (corporations and international law is what isn’t colonialism apparently btw, lol)

Liberalism is exceptional at appropriation because it has emerged over centuries of EuroAmerican imperialism and settler-colonialism, its main purpose is to steal.

You’re not a liberal, of course, you just happen to think in terms of liberal values and subscribe to liberal institutions. Also, yeah like this isn’t an edited article or something, but I actually have a formal education on these topics, which is actually clear in how I explain these things like, I know what I’m talking about lol.

I was so gracious with you too, you were advocating for genocide without even realizing it (because yes, you are a liberal) and I actually tried to explain it in a way that minimized blame (because I know y’all don’t handle criticism well).

Well, I think having a hard time reading criticism over two paragraphs and then citing a Harvard [Gazette] article as evidence of it equating to a lobotomy is just, well, that’s just the whole package. Did you even read the study that they cite? It doesn’t say what you seem to think it says, and you just inadvertently called the use of any computer screens and text editors for notes as lobotomizing as the Gazette article does not exclusively pathologize AI tools.

Was “Harvard” meant to sound smart? Very typical liberal response to the gentlest and slightest notion that how you think is harmful, lmao.

For the joke, yes. But, also because I’m curious if you have a real critique besides “stinky and mean to me,” as I genuinely don’t have experience with that community, but have ran into a lot of uncritical “socialists” on fediverse stuff in general.

Another funny thing here is you’ve done a lot of stuff that I don’t think you realize is telling of liberal thought, the infantalization is another big one, but you’ve hit almost everything. If your next comment is something about trans women, think we got a full row.

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I don’t think it’s helpful to construct liberals as ignorant in the same way a child is. It is an uncritical and harmful way to think, but children can’t understand what genocide is because they haven’t lived long enough and do not know enough about the world, adults differ in that it is a choice to remain ignorant or to not change in response to knowledge.

There’s a special kind of malice that comes from truly knowing you’re wrong but do not care to learn better; not because they can’t, but because it is inconvenient.

Are you a liberal?

Wow, okay so there’s some stuff here that probably needs addressing. Just like quick, when I talk about colonialism within the US, I’m referring to stuff like monocrop farming, mining, logging, etc. that was facilitated through the dispossession and genocide of Native Americans and indigenous nations. Though it is certainly relevant to point out that this way of life has negative health impacts on everyone who exists in the world, even those people in the metropole, my concern is more about the fact that this way of life can only exist through the violence and extraction I mention above. Disease, poverty, and pollution are not exclusively linked to capitalism and liberalism, even if they exist more abundantly in the world as a result of it, but that specific relationality of settler-colonialism, indigenous peoples, and commodified land is.

Also, I don’t know if you realize the ableism you seem to subscribe to here. “Loss of cognitive ability,” in reference to students’ use of AI is, quite frankly, harmful. Whether you meant this in a physical way, as in it causes brain damage, or a pedagogical way, as in they are not learning the skills we measure cognitive ability with, this creates a much more powerful and destructive effect from AI that also happens to reproduce the devaluing of people who do not conform to hegemonic ideas of ability. Even if AI was causing literal brain damage to young people, that doesn’t mean they’re less valuable as people or more of a burden on society, though if it was, certainly that’d be something to address. Except, it isn’t doing that, there are just effects on skillbuilding needs since we were already doing that poorly due to the industrious teaching pedagogies schooling in settler-colonial countries have been designed around. It isn’t a threat to that ability anymore than the internet, television, or print was. The ease of access to information as well as mis- or disinformation introduces new needs for critical thought beyond the usability in employment (it is also a matter of self-defense), but having access to those skills makes these things powerful tools. I’ve noticed more of a drop due to the COVID-19 Pandemic as the students who went through that period in their life learning these skills in a cobbled-together online curriculum which was really just adapted from preexisting, ineffective teaching methods. There are students with organizational barriers to learning who find they now succeed more easily in institutions that punish deviation from structure by having AI assistance to do something their brain is not able to and the system will not provide for them, for example. To suggest that a technology that benefits a disabled group and harms an abled group is ontologically evil is to argue that harm is only a problem when it is directed at one of these groups; which happens to be the privileged one in this case.

In the same way, the perceived danger of AI for those of us with mental illness discounts the reality that much of therapy is learning to convert your internal thoughts into language, which then helps you better understand those thoughts for yourself as well as in/for others. Since mental healthcare is by no means accessible even with socialized healthcare, most people who need psychotherapy are not able to get enough of it for their needs. There are people who report benefits from this access, and since we obviously cannot guarantee everyone access to this healthcare, it is difficult to argue that certain groups cannot “handle” having some sort of responsive outlet to process those thoughts as language without also infantalizing them. Regardless of the medical efficacy of these AI therapists, or whatever they want to call them, if it helps people, we cannot discard it out of hand. I’m not sure what “emotional stunting” is in reference to here as well, though I’m sure any example of it would still depend on some normative, hegemonic understanding of maturity and growth that is already foundationally problematic as all normative arguments for human action and behaviour is.

So, yes, I think AI as a system is harmful in the same way every single system under liberalism and capitalism is harmful. The ways we build computers, store data, extract minerals and other resources, grow our food and fabric, and even live on the land beneath us are all harmful because they are ultimately subject to a harmful system. It isn’t the technologies themselves, but the relations that determine their distribution and use that is harmful; as always. To suggest otherwise is to accept assertions from that harmful system that you may take for granted as the socialization and culture of that system has dominated your understanding of all things. What you’ve identified is that it can be used very effectively to target vulnerable groups, including children, who were already targeted by this system due to its fundamentally predatory and dehumanizing nature. Except, what you’ve identified as the problem is that it makes them deviate even further from an idealized construction of the human body and behaviour, not that this is a new vector for preexisting violence.

Again, there are no good or bad outcomes, as the future is only ever imagined, it does not exist. That means that when we imagine the future, we transfer idealized elements of the present into that narrative along with the unchecked internalized values we hold. There is no way of predicting how that socialization has effected your understanding of the world, only the ability to respond once it has.

These are important criticisms to make about liberalism, the coercive power in of wage labour and private property are powerful tools of capital exactly because that precarity gives us less time, resources, and security to resist even the devaluing of our labour.

I don’t know what the usability of this post and the image created here is, though. What you’ve presented here is still stuck in that commodity mentality. Is tech not celebrated now, when we can so easily cure diseases that we only named two centuries ago, or when people identify with internet culture? What level of democratization could even exist in an economy where the mass production of computer technology still exists when the very design of every computer we have depends on colonial extraction?

I’ve found it’s more difficult to imagine a future worth living in when that imagination is only oriented around escaping reality. There are good outcomes from AI the same way there are bad outcomes, because neither have happened. The world doesnt just end when the economy collapses, and people aren’t helpless to resist authoritarianism or capitalism. In the same way, imagining AI as a solution to the problems in the metropole by its capacity to fulfill devalued labour roles takes for granted what is needed to build an AI infrastructure like that, and whether this hope is dependent on the continued subjugation of others. Its a future based on maintaining the present, not improving it.

This isn’t to say your comment or the actual post are pro-colonization, but just that we should question how much of our imagination of a positive future is based in the privilege that we experience today. Conversely, are you willing to live in a world where you are more materially insecure if it meant a global shift away from colonialism? Is it still motivating to consider a world where your labour is even more in demand because we no longer extract in a way that facilitates such an abundance of automation even down to your dishwasher and laundry machine?

Liberalism and capitalism depend on an immaterial world to exist as they are oriented around the imperative for infinite growth in a finite world, so it is important to remember that people will readily embrace the privilege this system affords them if that is the only real route to a world where they personally can pursue art instead of other forms of labour. If our liberal system affords us a UBI and socialized housing in exchange for complacency in its global extraction, would you still want it to end?

Well yeah, it can’t exist without it.

Yes, I don’t get why so many of you appear to not understand that these problems coexist with the reality that people have been using it anyway. As I alluded to above when I said that a psychotherapist would be required to actually learn to practice those strategies and expressed my disagreement with AI therapists on a treatment basis in multiple instances, there is no replacing a human therapist or any reasonable basis to even call AI therapists “therapists.”

As I said, again multiple times, since people use it anyway and prefer it to nothing or a bad therapist, we have to take its merits seriously and identify why. Reality does not care that you find it dumb and icky, I would love it if everything I know is dumb and icky was simply not a problem because I found it dumb and icky.

All of these people are clearly not just stupid, which is what you and the person I responded to seem to think, which is just foolish. No, everyone else is not just dumber than you. There is clearly a material reason why people use these things and why some even say they want to. How many people do you know who do not go to therapy because they can’t afford it, or because they’ve been traumatized by it, or because they could get fucking institutionalized for it. Have you thought about, perhaps, the people as people?

I swear to god, some of you see a long comment from someone you don’t like the sound of and you just make up whatever it says based on the shit you imagine people who disagree with you say. And they say reading levels are down, pshaw.