All I want to know is when the church will start booting these guys to the curb and denouncing them.
Your question gets to the crux of the issue, I believe big money will betray religion, but religion could get the jump on big money, it won’t though because there’s such an overlap. Big money wins. Unless we stop them.
Never. That’s the whole point of church. Anyone with half a brain knows there is no god and the [insert religious text] is a book created by man.
This is two separate churches, it’s like asking why france doesn’t remove the king of England.
why france doesn’t remove the king of England
There were a few times in history that they tried to do so.
All churches are the same. They just have different bank accounts.
Not really, Evangelicals don’t recognise the Pope as an authority. It’s only Roman Catholics.
Church is church. Church is money. Money is god.
They’re trying so hard to miss your point lol
It may seem obvious but the guy is a pastor, not a catholic. The pope does not exist in his world.
Yeah I get that there are several sects of Christianity, just like any other religion. The Pope has no authority over non-Catholics. That said, you would think that even some Protestants would see this as an affront to the teachings of Jesus and cast out the bad ones in their midst.
Some Protestants would indeed, too bad there are sects of Protestants ranging from Diet Catholic to snake handling faith healers
There is no central authority to make this happen. Any dildo can (and will) open a new church in a strip mall and continue grifting rubes.
Cast them out how? There is no central organization overseeing all Christian groups. You can literally start your own church tomorrow if you want and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop you, or keep others from associating with you.
It’s not so different from the fediverse. You can ban people, but you can’t stop them from going somewhere else. And if they start their own instance, you can defederate from it but you can’t actually shut them down or stop others from joining them.
You would think, because you are a logical and rational person. But they are not. Jesus exists in their world, purely as a bludgeon to push their own horrible beliefs.
Well, everyone who calls him a Christian, is the issue. He is a sect leader.
I assumed you were saying you want to know when the church replaces crucifixes and Christ references with trump. Doesn’t seem far off to me.
He’s an evangelical, so the only requirement he has is saying ‘I’m a pastor.’ This particular one already has a litany of controversial quotes and, like many evangelicals, is staunchly anti-catholic, calling them a satanic Babylonian cult at one point.
Is this the same guy who just did a blessing of a golden statue of Trump, insisting it wasn’t a golden calf?
Different guy, same ilk.
Just as there are Americans who are not enamored with Trump who are not getting the media spotlight, there are Christians reacting negatively. But the media is focusing on the Maga Nationalist Christians. It’s simply more profitable to focus on the extremists.
Here are some examples that the media has only touched on lightly.
“While I’m at it, I’m going to say what I feel right here. I wish the president of the United States would clean up his language. I wish he would stop insulting people. A leader should not give himself to insulting people all the time, and using foul language. And while I’m at it, I’m going to finish: everybody in the White House cusses except two women that say they are born again. But they’re all foul mouthed. Let me tell you what the Bible says: “From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.” Listen, don’t you dare get being conservative mixed up with being a Christian. Conservative does not mean Christian. You can be pro-life, you can be pro-Biblical family, you can be pro-Israel and die and go to Hell. You can be all of that stuff and that does not make you a Christian. Folks, I am a Christian. I am not a white Christian. You’re not a black Christian. I’m not in a white evangelical movement. There’s no such thing as a black church. We are one in Christ. There is neither male nor female. There is neither black, or white, or slave, or poor. We are all one in Jesus Christ. No! Go ahead and praise the Lord! Don’t talk about the people that represent you. They don’t represent me.”
Pastor Loran Livingston, Central Church, FEB 28, 2026
https://youtu.be/3ZeWDtREdW4?t=5078
https://churchleaders.com/news/2215893-heresy-paula-white-cain-trump-jesus-easter.html
John Piper Under Fire for Referring to Trump’s Re-Election as an ‘Evil’
He criticized Donald Trump and the Southern Baptist Convention’s response to a sexual abuse crisis. Then he found himself on the outside.
Who is he? Russell Moore was one of the top officials in the Southern Baptist Convention.
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/08/1192663920/southern-baptist-convention-donald-trump-christianity
https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2053207948294574577
During his Sunday sermon, Pastor James Rigby who leads St. Andrew’s Presbyterian in Austin, he noted that people have “mixed feelings” about the shooting but affirmed, “It’s really really important if we are going to be the healing agents of the world to realize that violence is not going to get rid of the problem that we have.”
“I said last week, if violence could have gotten rid of racism, the Civil War would have worked,” he continued. “But if you look at the Bible Belt and the heart of the MAGA movement, it is the Confederacy. The America they want to get back to is the Confederate States of America, not the United States of America.”
The pastor further stressed that “It’s very important that even as we fight for justice, even as we protect each other from this fascistic movement, that we not do to them what they’re doing to the rest of us.
The Bishop of Palm Beach Manuel de Jesús Rodríguez wrote on X on Thursday: “The renewed attacks directed by President Trump against our Holy Father, Pope Leo XIV, are entirely inconsistent with the Pope’s longstanding witness to justice, peace, and the dignity of every human person.”
Rodríguez has previously criticized Trump’s immigration rhetoric and policies
“I think a lot of moderates, a lot of centrist Republicans and Democrats, are saying, ‘This is not right,‘” Hamilton told Religion News Service. “Whether it’s how we treat immigrants and making people afraid in our own borders, or the rhetoric that comes out of Washington, or cutting programs like SNAP and other programs that affect low-income children and families in America, I think there’s a lot of pastors and a lot of Christians who have just said, ‘This is not us.’”
https://www.alternet.org/megachurch-trump/
Lol, I had to go back and check your name, because I thought yappymonotheist had made a comeback.
These people are literally insane.
They’re salesmen.
What they’re saying is only “crazy” if it fails to move units. And this guy seems to have been very successful at moving merch
Man, Donald Trump knows more about a religious text than a guy who has dedicated his entire life to it? Crazy.
And then people are surprised by decreasing church attendance. I’m glad I’m an atheist
I have no idea about those numbers, but I seem to be seeing religion pushed more and more in daily life. More religious vendors at the local farm shops, more young people (in our sphere) talking about it or involving themselves with it. My cynical self feels like it is subversively (isn’t it always?) being pushed.
It’s a decreasing amount overall, but the union of the christofascists with the current asshole in charge (and all his lackeys that help) allows a far greater reach, which they are hoping is enough to pull more people in.
The Cult of the Dead Merkavist has spawned multiple cults of the antichrists.
Is there anything more Protestant than worshipping a golden calf, then getting mad when someone suggests that might be heresy.
What’s Donald Trump’s favorite book or passages from the Bible? “All of them”. New or old Testament? “Both”. It’s deeply personal though, so he won’t say.
And the Pope would probably only reference a few specific passages, probably doesn’t even know any others. If President Trump said he loves them all, then CLEARLY he’s read them all!
The Bible is a weird maniacal rambling mess, so that tracks?
Is the pastor able to read ancient Hebrew and ancient Greek and understand the original context? Otherwise he doesn’t understand the bible either, and that would be assuming he had actually read it in full himself. Trump himslf doesn’t have an understanding of even ‘see Spot run!’.
It’s not clear he even reads English. He might be as illiterate as Trump.
Depending on what is meant by “understanding”, it might be true that Trump has a better understanding of the bible than Pope Leo.
If you’re talking about a scholarly understanding, then surely Leo has a better understanding. I mean, Trump can barely read in the first place. He definitely hasn’t ever read the bible on his own initiative. A small child who goes to Sunday school has a better scholarly understanding of the bible than Trump.
However, Trump at his core is a con man and game recognizes game, as they say. Religion is one of history’s greatest cons. The bible was written by the uneducated, by lunatics and the delusional, and by confidence tricksters. So on that level, Trump likely understands that the bible is all bullshit that isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. And so in that way, it might be true that Trump understands the bible better than Pope Leo.
It simplifies life than any statement beginning with “Trump has a better understading…” is false. That can be relied on at the same level of certainty as the laws of Thermodynamics.
We talking the same guy that couldn’t recite his favorite Bible passage?
I’m going to doubt that on the grounds that the dude seems to be functionally illiterate.
