• supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
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      19 days ago

      I agree with you, but also I want to emphasize that there is a cost to all of us from this. Canada is more dynamic and vibrant when it interacts with its neighbors, so is the US, which means that by being toxic shitty neighbors the US holds Canada back and diminishes it.

      This is the cost of having shitty neighbors, you lose out on the natural wealth that arises from living next to good neighbors.

      It is very important that it is not lost in the narrative that an interconnected economy is beneficial to everybody involved, and that the US damaging the trust necessary for this has real longterm economic consequences because it “artificially” limits the potential growth the US could be experiencing from more interaction with the Canadian economy and vice versa.

      This is a crime that has been done that neither the majority of people in the US nor Canada really wanted, which isn’t to argue that it isn’t wise for Canada to become more independent from the US just to point out what prosperity has been toppled here.

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        19 days ago

        There is a cost to all of us, but not all costs are economic. Economic interchange is good, but I think we may have been sold a line when it comes to the value of economic interdependence, especially with countries we lack common values with. Our hurry to grow our economic integration with others has deeply undermined our ability to set our own course as a nation, and now more than ever we’re facing the consequences of that decision to not stand on our own two feet, when it’s easier to rely on foreign supply chains. We should absolutely work to diversify our economic relationships, but we have to acknowledge that the days where we can trade away our domestic resilience for the efficiency of market specialization are behind us. We need domestic manufacturing and processing, even if it’s going to require subsidy and we need to work on boosting domestic self-sufficiency. We need to recognize that ultimately, the only ones that we can always depend on are each other, we need to work hard to help build trust internally. Integrity is worth more than all the oil and gold on Earth right now, and we need to very quickly move to make our system reflect that.

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          19 days ago

          We need to recognize that ultimately, the only ones that we can always depend on are each other

          Yes but this sentiment extends globally too.

          Again I fully support Canada becoming more independent I am just saying that we do need all of each other, isolationism is always worse in the end, which doesn’t mean we have to be maximalist about it or not recognize the damage economic systems have done that have promoted offshoring industries.

          What it means is that we need to all recognize when a shitty leader or administration topples a collective prosperity and causes everything to atomize that at a basic mathematical level it diminishes the overall potential of everybody who experiences that shattering. That is part of the basic crime of it, and we shouldn’t let those shitty people get away with not answering to that crime just because Canada is in the mood for more isolationism right now in an understandable and justifiable way.

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          19 days ago

          Yeah this seems like a time we should be pumping resources into the Federal Business Development Bank, or whatever they call it now, as Canadian business pundit-of-the-day always complains about the lack of investment funds being a barrier to building up local industry.

          The BDC (I checked , that’s the latest name) may be making a difference but it’s not enough. Whole sectors should receive massive public attention.

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            19 days ago

            This is absolutely the right answer. If we can’t find foreign investment, it’s time to create some domestically in strategic critical industries. If necessary we should be willing to spin up crown corps to cover critical resources as well.

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        19 days ago

        Canada needs to separate economically because the US is actively preparing Alberta for an invasion, they’re almost at the “handing out us passports to secessionists” stage.

        This isn’t like “oh they belched in front of my mom”, this is “they are actively discussing annexation”.

        Canada will become a Chinese vassal state if it wants to maintain a scrap of sovereignty.