Thousands of Southern Baptists overwhelmingly voted Wednesday to advance a formal ban on women pastors in the nation’s largest Protestant denomination, sending a clear message that men alone should preach to these conservative evangelical congregations.
At least in the UK, that’s just not true. It was a thing nobility did, but it anyone who wasn’t generally married for love. Even the Bible documents marrying for love on separate occasions in old testament times.
Service, obedience and love aren’t the same things. A good policeman serves his community, but he doesn’t submit to them. A lot of the time, service does involve hearing out their opinion, and loving them, but not submission. If two partners were to submit to each other, how does it work when the wife orders her husband and her husband orders her to not order him, in which she returns by ordering him to not order her to not order him, and so forth? Which one is in the right here?
Exactly. But he serves the Church by interceding for them, granting miracles, teaching them, and most of all, going through torture and pains, even that of death, to save them. He is patient and ever-forgiving with us. He doesn’t forsake us no matter how much or how badly we screw up. And Husbands are ordered to do the same.
I’m not denying that this is patriarchal - there is an element of patriarchy to Christian families. But I wouldn’t use the term patriarchy due to it’s secular undertones where it’s perceived that the man doesn’t display Christ-like love for his wife. God laid out the structure that the husband is the head of the wife and that God is the head of the husband. Across the Bible, even by some extent in the book of Genesis, Marriage is depicted as a picture of Christ and His Church. That’s what marriage is - it’s a picture to show us our relationship to God. The Church is the Bride of Christ.
So British were… Christian now? Some were, sure. But only in the later first century.
Rome only invaded the isle in 40 c.e or so. Paul was on the other side of the world. He may have been “aware” that they existed, but he certainly wasn’t influenced by them. And frankly given how he didn’t write them any letters… I find that dubious.(he died around 65ad, and the letter furthest west was to Rome.)
Paul’s instruction to how women should behave in their daily lives is “wives, obey your husbands” and there’s no similar command to husbands to obey their wives , it’s inherently patriarchal.
You keep trying to say that’s okay because husbands are supposed to love their wives. But that’s not equality, it’s misogyny.
Remember, Paul also used the language of obedience and submission to slaves and masters. He also says that Christian’s are slaves to Christ (probably getting the idea from the mosaic covenant, where Israelites are slaves to god.)
The point being that relationship is inherently unequal. It’s patriarchal and misogynistic. It doesn’t matter if masters are to love their slaves or husbands love their wives.
“But I’m a kind master” doesn’t make owning slaves okay. “But I’m a loving husband” doesn’t make controlling and subjugating your wife okay.
Not in the modern era.