Try seeing how long you can suck on a car exhaust and live? My point stands.
Lead in gas in cars wasn’t even phased out until 1996 and only in 2021 was is declared officially over. Meanwhile the entire planet has been blanket by lead leading to startling facts like burning wood releases a ton of lead.
Our entire ecosystem needs a EPA style Superfund cleanup. Hundred of millions of people have already died just from lead. The lead left over in our environment, mostly from gas burning, kills anywhere from one to five million people every year to this day.
That means thirty years since leaded gasoline was first banned we have lost anywhere between 30-150 million people. This lead is not going away as demonstrated by the trees.
I swear we have lost close to a billion people from pollution in the last 50 years or so. Lead is only an additive, we haven’t even gotten into all the problems with the rest of it. Petroleum is a huge part of this loss of life. This is the true cost, a future of environmental degredation.
As I said the range is anywhere from 1-5 million a year.
You can take your petroleum apologist nonsense somewhere else. Imagine someone bootlicking when then know millions of people have died and will continue to die.
Constantly moving goal posts in order to discredit a true fact because the way it was presented is not precise. This isn’t a scientific debate. This isn’t a paper. It’s a generic social media forum and people generally understand, barring any social development conditions, that exaggeration is acceptable as long as the general idea is true, even hyperbolic exaggeration. Everyone does this constantly in normal every day conversations. Conversations don’t stop and wait for you to look up something that ultimately is at best a minor correction, because it’s not needed and frankly its silly.
exaggeration is acceptable as long as the general idea is true,
Totally disagree. If the goal is to influence someone’s opinion, in any forum, then it will remain their opinion longer if it solidly fact based, without exaggeration.
even hyperbolic exaggeration.
Obvious hyperbolic statements can be very useful. They increase enjoyment for the billions of lemmy readers and make them more receptive.
Conversations don’t stop and wait for you to look up something that ultimately is at best a minor correction
However, in this format that luxury exists.
because it’s not needed and frankly its silly.
It is needed because otherwise it damages the argument.
Constantly moving goal posts in order to discredit a true fact because the way it was presented is not precise.
If you notice, my contributions have not touched any goalposts. Encouraging accuracy is not changing the argument.
Considering that since there are over 1.6 billion cars in use worldwide, I think if each one killed more than one person per day there would soon be none of us left.
Collectively they do cause some 246,000 deaths each year, from pollution alone, with several times that figure being attributable to motor vehicle collisions. So I do think the regular use of fossil fuel vehicles needs to be phased out, along with a drastic reduction in personal vehicle use in general in urban areas and the implementation of systematic safety principles in road design.
Try seeing how long you can suck on a car exhaust and live? My point stands.
Lead in gas in cars wasn’t even phased out until 1996 and only in 2021 was is declared officially over. Meanwhile the entire planet has been blanket by lead leading to startling facts like burning wood releases a ton of lead.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/may/15/wood-burning-for-heat-reintroducing-lead-pollution-into-the-air-us-scientists-find
Our entire ecosystem needs a EPA style Superfund cleanup. Hundred of millions of people have already died just from lead. The lead left over in our environment, mostly from gas burning, kills anywhere from one to five million people every year to this day.
That means thirty years since leaded gasoline was first banned we have lost anywhere between 30-150 million people. This lead is not going away as demonstrated by the trees.
I swear we have lost close to a billion people from pollution in the last 50 years or so. Lead is only an additive, we haven’t even gotten into all the problems with the rest of it. Petroleum is a huge part of this loss of life. This is the true cost, a future of environmental degredation.
But your stats are from your ass.
Are you acting obtuse on purpose?
https://healthpolicy-watch.news/96476-2/
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/11/20/1213841798/a-new-study-says-the-global-toll-of-lead-exposure-is-even-worse-than-we-thought
As I said the range is anywhere from 1-5 million a year.
You can take your petroleum apologist nonsense somewhere else. Imagine someone bootlicking when then know millions of people have died and will continue to die.
If you want to argue scientifically, you have to be precise.
Oh god you act really dumb.
You’re doing the facebook boomer thing btw.
Which is what?
Note, I’m not disagreeing with the guy. I’m helping them make better arguments.
Constantly moving goal posts in order to discredit a true fact because the way it was presented is not precise. This isn’t a scientific debate. This isn’t a paper. It’s a generic social media forum and people generally understand, barring any social development conditions, that exaggeration is acceptable as long as the general idea is true, even hyperbolic exaggeration. Everyone does this constantly in normal every day conversations. Conversations don’t stop and wait for you to look up something that ultimately is at best a minor correction, because it’s not needed and frankly its silly.
Totally disagree. If the goal is to influence someone’s opinion, in any forum, then it will remain their opinion longer if it solidly fact based, without exaggeration.
Obvious hyperbolic statements can be very useful. They increase enjoyment for the billions of lemmy readers and make them more receptive.
However, in this format that luxury exists.
It is needed because otherwise it damages the argument.
If you notice, my contributions have not touched any goalposts. Encouraging accuracy is not changing the argument.
Try seeing how long you can stay underwater and live?
Every water kills billions per water!!!
Please try to stay on topic.
Please try to use your brain.
Don’t be jealous that I have one.
I admit that I am. That makes it even more embarrassing for you though.
I am not sure what this is, but you guys seem to behave really dumb. Like incredibly. Is it your kink or something to act this stupid?
Are you mad?
And you’d sink and down pretty quickly if the world were made of pudding.
Are you okay?