The immigrants keep our wages low in jobs we would do if the influental people were forced to raise the wages because only natives who only accept a higher minimum wage would do.
The Hoteliers are the bad (they are nice, but greedy) people. (And the people who flee their poor countries to get to welfare states in europa.)
The immigrants aren’t taking our jobs. They’re doing the work “we” don’t want to do. Agriculture. Janitorial. Construction. Stuff like that.
partially false, they’re working under conditions we technically have employment laws against. longer hours, no recourse against management, etc. it helps suppress wages across the board. This include higher paying jobs like software development, nursing, doctors, etc.
Immigrants do jobs that we wont do, and the jobs we do, Its business owners taking our jobs, and giving it to desperate immigrants, who they pay under minimum wage with the implied threat of calling authorities if they complain.
and when authorities do show up, they only arrest the immigrants… for some reason, they never arrest the cunt that was exploiting them.
Because immigrant labor does more than field work. they bring in tons of skilled immigrant labor under visas to do white collar jobs too, and they are abused and exploited all the same.
That’s corporate propaganda, don’t fall for it. “We” would be more than happy to do agriculture, janitorial, construction, etc… but we need to be able to feed ourselves and our families on the income from “burger flipping”.
I’m with you in the last half but have you tried being bent over all day picking strawberries? I haven’t, I do things for work that most wouldn’t be comfortable with, sometimes dangerous things. And I’m in my 40s.
Fuck being bent over like that for any amount of time - no way
I have worked several fruit farms. Yes it’s hard work. You do get used to it but of course it requires fitness /flexibility that is harder with age. But I’ve also worked in factories which was hard too.
Immigrants may work these jobs because, like non immigrants, they’re desperate. You can find yourself working with people with serious qualifications for better jobs - because they’re desperate.
The problem here is with strawberry monoculture. Big ag has been lying for years that their ways are more productive, and so we have huge stretches of the same stuff. Turns out huge stretches of the same stuff is not good for anyone - not for the plants that are not made to live in monocultures. Not for the workers whose bodies were not made for eight hours of doing the same, not for the soil that thrives on diversity.
So if we could move away from monoculture in anything - social structure, city building, work setup … why insist in 100 ha of maize and 8 hours of doing the same when we already know that these concepts don’t work.
This stereotype feels less true every year. I work in a very large office in a large city and ~half of my white-collar co-workers are either immigrants or 1st generation naturalized Americans. According to hiring managers, it’s just representative of the applicant pool.
I know America has historically exploited immigrants for agricultural work (and still does), but there’s also a huge population of white-collar immigrants from all over the world.
Neither are the people AI is replacing? The software engineer or the person who assembled your computer part didn’t decide what price it was sold to you at
Europeans might be now the most anti-immigration population on earth , coming up with idiotic phrases like : economic immigration/refuge is not valid immigration/refuge and X country is safe because the previous government collapsed along with the iconic : why did the sand monkey get a better IT Job than me , its a conspiracy to kill the white race !
The immigrants aren’t taking our jobs. They’re doing the work “we” don’t want to do. Agriculture. Janitorial. Construction. Stuff like that.
And they’re not making computers and games more expensive.
The immigrants keep our wages low in jobs we would do if the influental people were forced to raise the wages because only natives who only accept a higher minimum wage would do.
The Hoteliers are the bad (they are nice, but greedy) people. (And the people who flee their poor countries to get to welfare states in europa.)
partially false, they’re working under conditions we technically have employment laws against. longer hours, no recourse against management, etc. it helps suppress wages across the board. This include higher paying jobs like software development, nursing, doctors, etc.
This, there’s no job “we” don’t want to do, they are just typically not paid fairly because the employers have access to desperate immigrants.
So the issue isn’t the immigrants, but the ones exploiting them for cheap labour?
Ding ding ding. It’s the same people that push AI. That’s why the messaging is conflicting, to answer the original post question.
I was more just making a statement, I should probably not have framed it as a question. This is not something that is news to me personally.
Immigrants do jobs that we wont do, and the jobs we do, Its business owners taking our jobs, and giving it to desperate immigrants, who they pay under minimum wage with the implied threat of calling authorities if they complain.
and when authorities do show up, they only arrest the immigrants… for some reason, they never arrest the cunt that was exploiting them.
Because immigrant labor does more than field work. they bring in tons of skilled immigrant labor under visas to do white collar jobs too, and they are abused and exploited all the same.
That’s corporate propaganda, don’t fall for it. “We” would be more than happy to do agriculture, janitorial, construction, etc… but we need to be able to feed ourselves and our families on the income from “burger flipping”.
You know, like we could do for generations.
I’m with you in the last half but have you tried being bent over all day picking strawberries? I haven’t, I do things for work that most wouldn’t be comfortable with, sometimes dangerous things. And I’m in my 40s.
Fuck being bent over like that for any amount of time - no way
I have worked several fruit farms. Yes it’s hard work. You do get used to it but of course it requires fitness /flexibility that is harder with age. But I’ve also worked in factories which was hard too.
Immigrants may work these jobs because, like non immigrants, they’re desperate. You can find yourself working with people with serious qualifications for better jobs - because they’re desperate.
“Taking our jobs” is just a trope.
The problem here is with strawberry monoculture. Big ag has been lying for years that their ways are more productive, and so we have huge stretches of the same stuff. Turns out huge stretches of the same stuff is not good for anyone - not for the plants that are not made to live in monocultures. Not for the workers whose bodies were not made for eight hours of doing the same, not for the soil that thrives on diversity.
So if we could move away from monoculture in anything - social structure, city building, work setup … why insist in 100 ha of maize and 8 hours of doing the same when we already know that these concepts don’t work.
This stereotype feels less true every year. I work in a very large office in a large city and ~half of my white-collar co-workers are either immigrants or 1st generation naturalized Americans. According to hiring managers, it’s just representative of the applicant pool.
I know America has historically exploited immigrants for agricultural work (and still does), but there’s also a huge population of white-collar immigrants from all over the world.
Those aren’t the immigrants they’re trying to deport though. Racism is the main component and taking the jobs is just a pretext.
Neither are the people AI is replacing? The software engineer or the person who assembled your computer part didn’t decide what price it was sold to you at
Tell that to the Europeans
Care to explain to an European?
Europeans might be now the most anti-immigration population on earth , coming up with idiotic phrases like : economic immigration/refuge is not valid immigration/refuge and X country is safe because the previous government collapsed along with the iconic : why did the sand monkey get a better IT Job than me , its a conspiracy to kill the white race !
That sounds too American to me.
Americans are actually more tolerant to migrants in behavior than Europeans
Sounds to me that you haven’t been to either Europe or the US or both.