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Polestar will no longer be allowed to sell new vehicles in the United States beginning with the 2027 model year after the Trump administration denied the Swedish electric-vehicle maker authorization under federal rules governing connected vehicle technology, according to Reuters.
The decision essentially blocks Polestar from introducing new models in the US market as Washington continues to express national security concerns over vehicles with technology tied to China.
Other automakers with Chinese ownership have sought different courses of action. Volvo Cars received authorization from the Commerce Department in May, though the automaker said it must continue demonstrating compliance across its US lineup.
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Lets ban any business with foreign ties or investors from participating in our elections. No campaign donations or lobbying of any kind at any level. Punishable with 10 years of prison plus the business will be nationalized and stocks will be distributed by lottery to American citizens.
All they need to do is accept the mark of the beast. Then they can buy and sell in america.
Free market capitalism rules BTW
Yep. The only way American made cars can compete is by banning foreign made cars.
American industry, logiatical network and economy is in such a bad place they need to resort to protectionism to block their people to buy better products elsewhere. Same story with customer electronics like phones.
TIL Polestar is majority owned by a Chinese holding company. Only 16% is Volvo.
And Volvo Cars is majority-owned by Geely.
I’m honestly more worried about technology with American ties.
Seriously. China is starting to look like the land of freedom and opportunity. (Which is terrifying, because it’s also not)
Both the US and China are shitholes the difference is how close one is to which, I’m sure the Vietnamese have their preferences just as Mexicans do. It’s one of those things where you choose your devil, ideally both would collapse alongside Russia but as it is that is still distant.
Just fyi, Chinese propaganda is real. Once you start to spot it all over the place.
Hey Polestar, just give >$1 million to Trump’s reelection campaign. Problem solved.
Musk tried to buy Trump, didn’t work so well
it actually worked too well, and he vastly beniftted from it.
What are you smoking? Musk got exactly what he wanted. Is your definition of “didn’t work so well” becoming a trillionaire?
He left the government in disgrace and didn’t get the EV preferential treatment he was hoping from the administration.
Him making money in the stock market is less about Trump helping him, but more of Trump allowing AI companies to do whatever they want, and xAI is part of that.
He killed the government investigations against FSD which would have destroyed robotaxi. He got what he wanted and much much more.
I dunno. I think he and his businesses have come out very well through government contracts, removal of investigations by several branches, and very generous tax breaks for the wealthy.
That’s actually what the unspoken offer is from Trump, and the Polestar board will be seriously considering it.
According to Polestar, the US Department of Commerce declined to grant the automaker authorization under the Connected Vehicles Rule, which prohibits the import or sale of vehicles equipped with certain Chinese- or Russian-linked hardware and software beginning with the 2027 model year. The rule covers technologies such as Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, cellular connectivity, and some satellite communications systems because of concerns they could be used to collect sensitive data from American drivers.
Just don’t put electronic spyware in your vehicles? I realize this is a very hard concept for modern automakers to understand because they are institutionally stupid, but in practice that’s something that ought to be quite easy to do.
Whether or not compliance with the law will actually provide them any benefit, that I have my doubts over. I imagine the real reason they were denied by the regime is just plain old corruption and this is simply being used as an excuse. But still.
Quit putting cellular modems in your stupid cars. None of us want that anyway.
Cellular in cars as far as i know is mandated to have the sos function. Since 2015 as well. So that’s not gonna be an option if you want to sell cars in the eu.
Now this regulation exists to make cars more profitable not necesarrily to make the cars safer but its still mandatory.
If I’m a bank loaning money on auto loans for a major auto brand, I’d only accept the risk if that car is GPS tracked so I can take it back if the borrower stops paying. If automakers won’t make it standard, I’ll just donate to build a ballroom so they’re forced to reduce my risk exposure. But it can’t be one of those cheap Chinese or Russian GPS trackers. It has to be one of those expensive ones that is made by this other company I loan money to. That way they can keep paying on the loan I gave them. Great ROI on that ballroom investment. I’m the best bank ever.
Quit putting cellular modems in your stupid cars. None of us want that anyway.
Bullshit. Lots of people want to be able to pre-heat or pre-cool the car over the internet, want the car to be able to download updated maps and provide navigation accounting for live traffic. My car, after a free period, charges a small subscription for those services and I just paid for it today, so I can tell you that I and my partner want it enough to pay for it.
Just don’t put electronic spyware in your vehicles?
That wouldn’t help. The Chinese-owned company wants to put cheap Chinese hardware in its vehicles. It doesn’t matter whether they’re spyware because it’s all banned regardless.
That’s why we need real data protection laws in the US.
If those existed, the remote-start capability could only collect the minimum data required to provide its function, and give the data subject opt-out and deletion rights. And that data could only be used for its stated purpose.
My car, after a free period, charges a small subscription for those services and I just paid for it today, so I can tell you that I and my partner want it enough to pay for it.
You are part of the problem. Nothing the companies are providing justifies them spying on us or attacking our property rights, but you’re rewarding them for doing it.
It’s not my responsibility to cater to your preferences you entitled child.
Right, it’s nobody’s responsibility to make society better for humans living within it, hence the world going to shit.
This isn’t a matter of “making life better” in the sense that I am familiar with: that is, making a fairer, welcoming and livable place for everyone. This is that you and the person above have a certain preference that I don’t share, and you expect me to somehow enable you to realise that preference.
Your desire to be able to remote start your car in a particular way is not comparable in the slightest to issues of societal justice and trying to guilt trip me into enabling your consumer choices is, again, childish. If you don’t want to pay for a service don’t pay for it. If you wish there were a service which doesn’t exist, go and make your desires known to the people who may provide it. Don’t demand that someone else foregoes their preferences to enable you.
Doing so is as coherent as if I were to demand that you stop buying cars that aren’t green because I wish more manufacturers made green cars. I do wish that, but you don’t have any responsibility to help me with it.
Yes it’d be nice if i woke up and everything is automated and remote started, that’s how billionaires live. But this isn’t about what i like and dont like or prefer and dont prefer, this is about looking at this huge machine that is destroying people and judging it. We’re not demanding anything, just pointing out the money we pay for these conveniences literally goes to the pedophile class in control of the government (along with our personal data which they leverage to make even more money.)
I agree nobody has any responsibility for it, (except maybe those at the very top), but I wonder if anyone’s going to step up and stop them in the name of doing what’s right. I won’t, im just a consumer schmuck like you trying to figure out how i will survive in retirement in a few decades.
this is about looking at this huge machine that is destroying people
I don’t think you can draw the causal chain between me paying for a service I want and anyone being “destroyed”. Or perhaps you can, but it’d be so long and indirect you could apply the same chain to buying anything from any company.
These features, minus the map updates, existed for decades before cars were internet connected. They employed this exotic technology called “a remote.” The remote always worked unless its batteries were dead, didn’t require paying for a subscription, didn’t track your every move, and there were no servers that could be turned off to prevent it from working. In fact, even if your car’s manufacturer went out of business completely, it would still work! Crazy, I know.
Even if this absolutely must be done via smartphone with some ghastly app or another, Wi-Fi exists and has a similar range. Despite all the tech elsewhere in my life, I have never felt that it was not suitably enriched by not being able to twiddle with my car from anywhere outside of the 100 foot or so range of its remote.
Given that the current fad seems to be to use Android Auto or Apple CarPlay for your navigation anyway, on-board navigation is really rather moot. And even if it weren’t, update data could readily be handled locally via a connection to your phone or even, ye gods forbid, a USB cable to the same. Back in the good old days this could also be handled with a physical disk, which admittedly you typically had to pay for but you could take it or leave it as you pleased. And the damn thing would work without it. Nowadays this could be trivially handled with a simple internet download and a $2 SD card, which come to think of it is precisely how my current aftermarket head unit does it.
This is a hole the automakers have quite purposefully drilled directly into their own respective feet by getting greedy and salivating over recurring subscription revenue. It’s to benefit them, not you, and I have zero sympathy for them because of it.
I’ve never heard of a remote to start air con, but sure it could exist. Live traffic and map updates - the other 2 of the 3 things - do not.
There are workarounds for all of it, though. A separate device for navigation with its own maps, even physically going to the car to warm it up (that’s what my parents did). But these are convenience features, and those alternatives are all less convenient.
WiFi
My WiFi network doesn’t extend to where I park my car. When at work, shopping or away, that is probably true for the vast majority of people.
Android Auto
Whether it’s Google using my personal data to show me ads or paying a small fee to the car manufacturer makes little difference.
My sum total point is that, yes, people do want these features. What you meant in your post was that you don’t want them. And that’s fine, but you’re overreaching.
Remote starts from the factory that set heat and cooling are about 20 years old sorta. Mostly in the form of auto client control paired with remote start.
But remote starts have been around since the 1960s. And just leaving your ac/heater set to what you like or pre setting it before you get out isn’t hard.
My dad’s old truck when I was a kid was a 1980s Toyota with a remote start. We would just leave the heater set to max before we got out and then it would be ready when we started it in the morning to go to school!
Unfortunately people these days insist on being able to connect their phone to the car and use sat-nav, basically a car without that is almost unsellable in the current market. They could probably swap out the module with Chinese chips with one made in USA… If anyone even produces one?
For GPS, if the phone has connectivity, the car doesn’t need it. It just needs to interoperate with the phone.
As for telemetry, it is of almost no benefit to the car owner, it’s a way for the manufacturer to aggregate and sell data. If it’s just maintenance-related diagnostic logging, local storage on the vehicle would suffice, and it should be law that such data belongs to the owner and that there should be a way to delete it at any time if the owner so chooses, with no detrimental impact on dealer service charges or the warranty.
Looks like I’ve found another victim of the American education system.
Literacy rates must be at rock bottom there.
basically a car without that is almost unsellable in the current market
You’re gonna look really stupid when the Slate truck sells well.
By the way, your edit is disingenuously moving goalposts.
Your gonna look really stupid when you find out it has built in telemetry.
It doesn’t, except for an optional add-on aimed at fleet operators.
I totally believe you. The American education system really is fucked isn’t it.
You’re citing something that absolutely doesn’t require the car itself to connect to the internet.
I can do all that in my car and it has no network connectivity.
You don’t understand, read my post
You don’t understand, read my post
I did read your post, it was dumb.
GPS didn’t need any form of cellular connectivity for the first 15-20 years it was in cars.
In fact it hasn’t changed in that requirement, and screen mirroring also doesn’t need spyware.
You don’t understand, read my post
Still works great on your phone with no internet if you precached the maps for the area you’ll be in.
Yeah, have an old Tom Tom kicking around somewhere that’s over 20 years old, I think. Worked great, you just needed to plug it into a computer every once in a very long while to update the maps. I mean, roads don’t change THAT frequently.
CarPlay/Android Auto doesn’t require a modem in the car. Your phone already has a modem in it.
Commenters wanted BIS to define “integrated or attached hardware or software” to clarify whether software or hardware attached by a Bluetooth device or USB to a vehicle would be subject to the rule, or if the rule includes only integrated technologies. Per its definitions, this final rule is not limited to integrated technologies.
Carplay is also banned. The rule is fake, it’s just pretextual to ban Chinese cars so it will always be stretched to cover any possible Chinese car. The US forced free trade on everybody assuming it would always win, and now that it’s losing it’s just cheating. It needs to stick some kind of bullshit technicality on the treaty violation so it can abuse WTO procedure to loop this case around through appeals for 30 years before China can get a final ruling against the US.
It may not need one for those products, but I promise it has one anyway.
Internet connectivity in a car should be opt-in with a simple mechanism to enable/disable. No calls to the manufacturer, no dealer trip, no app.
You don’t understand, read my post
You don’t understand, we don’t need the car to provide a cellular modem to collect data on us. Our phones already provide that.
Or provide a module for plug in for your sales region.
That’s my point, I don’t think there are currently any companies in the US, outside of defense contractors, that produce a module. It is impossible to comply with the law.
That’s what really pisses me off about this. The same thing as when they forced the sale of TikTok. I’d personally rather have the Chinese collecting my information and not using it than having anyone collecting and selling it (though I would guess they are actually selling it). But they’re perfectly fine with any car manufacturer in the US tracking the hell out of all of us as long as China isn’t doing it.
I have more concerns at this point with technology tied to the USA
Considering both are known spy offenders, best just stay away from either and go with Japanese, Korean and European
Fun fact, “Made in Europe” includes stuff made in Japan. 👍
I think all manufacturers make you agree to let them sell your data anyway.
