• Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    Authorities have not said whether any driver-assistance technology was engaged at the time of Monday’s crash.

    IMO we shouldn’t jump the gun until it’s verified it’s their self driving and not the driver.

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      18 hours ago

      Years ago Tesla was caught turning off self driving the second before impact, to avoid responsibility. Any one really think Elon has grown as a person since then?

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      Ok dont jump the gun on blame…

      But why the fuck are we allowing these car companies beta test their shit software on public roads??

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      Teslas are programmed to disengage autopilot before a crash so headlines can say that tesla autopilot was not engaged at the time of the crash.

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      nah… jump the gun.

      fuck corporations. they don’t deserve any breaks or ‘innocent until proven guilty’. they are ALWAYS guilty unless otherwise proven… always…

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        I mean, if everytime you check the corporations mystery box labeled “I acknowledge” you agree a thousand things you would never normally agree too, then why should we assume cooperation are not by default lying to you.

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    2 days ago

    I don’t actually want to hear about every single crash involving a vehicle by any one particular vehicle manufacturer.

    Yesterday I saw a car that was on fire, do you all want to hear about that? No, because there are a bazillion car fires every day? Huh.

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      Random car fires are just that random and isolated. Full self driving Tesla failures are pretty common and being underreported. One is a lack of maintenance or a truly isolated defect or failure. The other is failure by Design.

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        2 days ago

        But

        Authorities have not said whether any driver-assistance technology was engaged at the time of Monday’s crash.

        So this is not about (under)reporting of FSD failures. This is about reporting any bad news about Tesla, which is fucking boring.

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          First word of your quote largely discredits it. Authorities. There have been a great number of rolling Tesla death traps that have killed passengers and pedestrians. And it doesn’t matter whether it’s Tesla or not. The authorities have covered up for Ford Chrysler etc etc etc as well in the past.

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              Everyone does. In fact the only way someone wouldn’t have evidence of this. Would largely be if they were either trying very hard to stay uninformed. Or are just so extremely insulated that that they somehow missed it.

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                  That’s on you. The Ford Pinto didn’t Crash and Burn as much as Tesla’s have. And people like yourself are blissfully unaware of the fact. Whereas the Ford Pinto went on to be a joke and major black mark on Ford’s reputation for decades. Besides all the other black marks that Henry Ford had earned

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      This is not about a Tesla having an accident, it’s about FSD not working as advertised.
      FSD actively causes insane accidents that would be very unlikely with a normal driver, and would only be seen with for instance an insanely drunk driver. FSD is essentially much like drunk driving.

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        If this is about FSD, we’d know whether FSD was involved, but

        Authorities have not said whether any driver-assistance technology was engaged at the time of Monday’s crash.

        This is about people hating Tesla because the man in charge is a Nazi cunt. And fair enough, but I still don’t want to read about every single crash of one of the millions of Teslas.

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    Tesla has disputed those claims, saying the driver manually overrode the system by pressing the accelerator.

    This is referring to another crash mentioned in the article, but I’m sure Tesla will find this was the cause for this crash too.

    Elon is never guilty of anything, people are dead and he has a trillion dollars…

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      Add it to the pile. It’s a big pile. This happens a lot. Always somehow the driver’s fault.

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      This is legitimately a common cause of crashes in every model of car. People accidentally press the accelerator when they try to press the brake, and when the car speeds up, they press even harder on what they think is the brake but is actually the accelerator. After the crash, the driver often still insists that they were pressing the brake and the car was at fault.

      It’s probably even more common in Teslas because the driver doesn’t need to have their foot on either pedal in the time leading up to the incident, increasing the chances that their feet aren’t aligned how they’re used to.

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      Maybe…but old fat fucks mash the wrong pedal every day in any car. It’s the reason why retail is now surrounded by anti-tank battlements.

      Last month, 7 in hospital when someone ended up driving into a gym…

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        As a fat old fuck, I just want to say I disagree; us fat old fucks don’t generally have significantly fatter feet than average. I highly suspect that most old fucks would be as statistically dangerous drivers as fat old fucks.

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          Authorities have not said whether any driver-assistance technology was engaged at the time of Monday’s crash.

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              That still doesn’t mean every Tesla crash is caused by its driver-assistance technology

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                No, it’s just means that determining if it was or wasn’t engaged is meaningless. And so is reporting on individual Tesla crashes as anything else than another car accident.

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                  ThePantser did:

                  Which model of Ford is being advertised as Full Self Driving and is crashing into people?

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          But i don’t see them being posted here… how strange! The last one i recall seeing was the woman who drove her range rover through fence and children in London when she allegedly has seizure behind the wheel.

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          It’s not just weird nerds now. Regular people who are just sick of having to drive for their daily commute will defend FSD and refuse to hear the dangers of their poorly implemented code and driver monitoring cameras. To them, convenience trumps safety and privacy.

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            There was no evidence FSD was involved in this crash.

            There are 16,000 wrong pedal crashes in the US every year, 77% are in parking lots. This is so bad most retail strip malls now have cement and steel bollards surrounding the shops.

            https://www.hardywolf.com/news/nhtsa-offers-tips-to-avoid-pedal-error/

            This is a problem, but it’s not a Tesla problem.

            My hospital now has these bollards because once a month some idiot parks too far from the parking payment machine, exits a car while the transmission is in drive. We tried signs. The public is very difficult to underestimate.