I have no idea where you get the idea that having kids is selfish. I spend so much of my time, attention, money and love on them. We share their pain, success and all their ups and downs. My wife gave up her career as an architect to spend more time with them.
We take care of them now, and they will take care of us later. That’s not selfish, it’s human. And this might be news for you, but this world was always a rough place to be if you’re not born rich.
And if you’re hinting that your kid’s CO2 footprint and consumption potentially contribute to climate change, you’re also forfeiting their chance to contribute to positive changes.
I think it’s more that the act itself, of having the child, is a choice that is made without the consent of the life being brought into the world. Every child is forced into existence through decisions that are not their own.
Of course, it’s impossible to get consent from the violated party, but it’s still a decision parents take for their own reasons, not the child’s reasons.
The kid didn’t need to exist, you made them do so because you wanted something from them for you or those around you, things like love, something to care about, a helping hand etc.
That is selfish by definition.
We take care of them now, and they will take care of us later. That’s not selfish, it’s human.
That is selfish AND human. Although something being human isn’t very relevant, considering things like greed or ill will are also human.
Wanting future generations to fix climate change is also pretty selfish, so it’s a bad example. They’re also likely to be powerless just like us.
Of course, not having kids in order to not make them suffer is also selfish, but It causes the least ammount of pain, well, except for the part where you will have to take care of yourself when older, but thats our problem.
You’re the meme.
Did they asked to be there? Yes you’re “giving” them a lot of your energy, but they are owed that. That’s not generosity, that’s responsibility.
Having kids is inherently selfish. Prove me wrong! Name a single reason to have them that doesn’t involve you.
By that logic taking care of a pet or senile relatives is also selfish. Or working as a missionary, or emergency worker. It boils down to the question if being selfless is in itself a selfish decision.
Were we just stupid? Naive? Following our biological program? I don’t know. But I know that I love my children above all else and would throw myself under a bus to save them.
I guess it can be hard to imagine loving someone without expecting anything in return, if you haven’t received that kind of love yourself.
Amusement? Give me a effing break! Quick, call up your parents and ask them how amused they were wiping your ass and cleaning after you! How funny it was taking care of you when you were sick and keeping them up at night. And then tell them how selfish it was of them.
I got one child, bringing her into this world was definitely a selfish act, we talked about it, weighted the state of the world and everything going on, we came slightly positive, since then the moron in charge if the usa has murdered so much more people, statistically and absolutely, made the world worse for everyone, my own government are the most stupist selfish people i can imagine and yet we wanted someone to give knowledge and things, and yet i fear that she will hate me for being in this world once she realise how fucked up everything is. Creating her was selfish, no doubt
I have no idea where you get the idea that having kids is selfish. I spend so much of my time, attention, money and love on them. We share their pain, success and all their ups and downs. My wife gave up her career as an architect to spend more time with them.
We take care of them now, and they will take care of us later. That’s not selfish, it’s human. And this might be news for you, but this world was always a rough place to be if you’re not born rich.
And if you’re hinting that your kid’s CO2 footprint and consumption potentially contribute to climate change, you’re also forfeiting their chance to contribute to positive changes.
I think it’s more that the act itself, of having the child, is a choice that is made without the consent of the life being brought into the world. Every child is forced into existence through decisions that are not their own.
Of course, it’s impossible to get consent from the violated party, but it’s still a decision parents take for their own reasons, not the child’s reasons.
The kid didn’t need to exist, you made them do so because you wanted something from them for you or those around you, things like love, something to care about, a helping hand etc. That is selfish by definition.
That is selfish AND human. Although something being human isn’t very relevant, considering things like greed or ill will are also human.
Wanting future generations to fix climate change is also pretty selfish, so it’s a bad example. They’re also likely to be powerless just like us.
Of course, not having kids in order to not make them suffer is also selfish, but It causes the least ammount of pain, well, except for the part where you will have to take care of yourself when older, but thats our problem.
There are indeed misanthropes, but they’re also a very small minority.
You’re the meme. Did they asked to be there? Yes you’re “giving” them a lot of your energy, but they are owed that. That’s not generosity, that’s responsibility.
Having kids is inherently selfish. Prove me wrong! Name a single reason to have them that doesn’t involve you.
By that logic taking care of a pet or senile relatives is also selfish. Or working as a missionary, or emergency worker. It boils down to the question if being selfless is in itself a selfish decision.
Were we just stupid? Naive? Following our biological program? I don’t know. But I know that I love my children above all else and would throw myself under a bus to save them.
I guess it can be hard to imagine loving someone without expecting anything in return, if you haven’t received that kind of love yourself.
The big difference here is that these individual already exist. You’re not creating a life for your own amusement.
Amusement? Give me a effing break! Quick, call up your parents and ask them how amused they were wiping your ass and cleaning after you! How funny it was taking care of you when you were sick and keeping them up at night. And then tell them how selfish it was of them.
Just as well you don’t want kids, seriously.
I got one child, bringing her into this world was definitely a selfish act, we talked about it, weighted the state of the world and everything going on, we came slightly positive, since then the moron in charge if the usa has murdered so much more people, statistically and absolutely, made the world worse for everyone, my own government are the most stupist selfish people i can imagine and yet we wanted someone to give knowledge and things, and yet i fear that she will hate me for being in this world once she realise how fucked up everything is. Creating her was selfish, no doubt
You’ve yet to name a single non-selfish reason. I can see this makes you emotive. You should reflect on that before you reproduce.