People need to realize that this isn’t JUST a Discord issue. This is a policy issue AS WELL. Fucking pay attention to the politics around you. And this isn’t just a United States issue as well.
this is true… its not just Discord… politics are pushing hard on tech… like Facebook, Google, well everything basically… They want to push age verification everywhere.
Its really dangerous, and I will never comply (even though I have nothing to hide). I already deleted my discord. I will not join back anymore. Its too late already.
Each chat, social network or anything that is trying to implement this -> ACCOUNT DELETED.
Edit: Discord’s preparation to go public with an IPO… So go away from discord now.
What I’m saying isn’t that you should or shouldn’t delete social media accounts. What I’m saying is that eventually they’re all going to HAVE to do it to be able to operate within certain countries. The account deletion/boycott/etc isn’t enough, you have to go after the political leaders that are FORCING companies into these deals cause governments are GOING to continue to go after companies to force the whole of the internet into surveilling users. Policy and laws need to be changed. The work HAS to be done.
This became incredibly obvious to me several months ago. I was trying to buy vape parts (coils and tanks, no liquids or batteries or anything) and the site wanted me to do a 3-D selfie to verify my age.
First of all, absolfuckinglutely not. Second of all, metal and plastic aren’t controlled substances so there’s no reason I even should have been carded, much less asked for 3-D face scan shit… so yeah it wasn’t FOR anything other than data mining.
I’m just going to repeat myself for the hundredth time here. This is exactly what happens when you define words in such broad terms. Social media does not include things like discord. It doesn’t include Reddit, it doesn’t include Lemmy. But because so many damn people just refer to any site that they can talk with other people on as social media, it became enshrined in law and now literally every service you touch is legally defined as social media.
This is not hyperbole; with the current definitions across numerous countries, Amazon (the place where you buy things, not other services like games) is legally defined as social media.
Words mean things and when words are hijacked for other purposes it allows governments to strip away your rights without you realizing.
It’s a forum. Just like all the other forums before it. It just happened to get very popular. To be clearer: if you define Reddit as social media then you are including almost every single website on the planet. It makes the definition completely pointless.
I grew up with certain words meaning certain things. Then I get older, and suddenly, those words are gone, new words exist, old words mean new things, medical terms are now no longer medical terms and just purely an insult derived from a definition that didn’t used to define the root word. Pluto isn’t a planet. Instead of 9 planets, there are now an unknown number at least in the thousands. There’s like 4 other Earths.
Language shouldn’t change over time. It can adapt, but I should know that grass is green. Not grass is plubertatude. A word I just made up for the demonstration of absurdity. Nothing wrong with grass being green.
I disagree. By definition social media is “new media technology that facitilates the creation, sharing and aggregation of content amongst virtual communities and networks” so Reddit and Lemmy are social networks.
There are several subkinds of social networks some are worse for kids (and adults) than others. Most sites in the internet don’t allow users to create and share content, online newspaper only may allow users to comment but the content comes from “journalists” and collaborators.
Discord is used like a forum though, with chat capabilities but it’s social at it’s core.
And by that definition you include every website on the planet. Your blog, the comment section of your local news, etc.
Just because you think that news sites comment sections aren’t included doesn’t mean that definition doesn’t include it, cause it does. That applies to that entire definition.
No it doesn’t. It’s in plural. A blog is a single person creating and sharing, others may comment but that’s it. It’s a single person (well it can be many authors but that’s covered in the newspaper example), that’s why I used newspaper sites, they don’t facilitate the creation, sharing and aggregation of content amongst virtual communities and network.
Reddit, facebook, instagram, tiktok, lemmy allows people to create communities, content and sharing. A blog allows ONE person to publish stuff, rarely it builds a community but it can happen, so can happen if you manage to read my diary with a bunch of strangers.
The definition you quoted comes from a 2010 business paper that literally states that it includes blogs. So yes, it does, because that’s where all these business and political morons got the definition.
If you create a website, then you are sharing content. And if people read that content then you have created a network. That’s the “definition” according to the government.
But that’s not what social media ever meant. Honestly I’m not going to argue this again, if you really want to see the true nexus of what social media was and is you can read my previous comments on the matter. I’m sure you can find them in my profile.
Suffice to say, social media is an incredibly narrow subset of social networks and the internet isn’t a social network though it is a “network where people are social”.
People need to realize that this isn’t JUST a Discord issue. This is a policy issue AS WELL. Fucking pay attention to the politics around you. And this isn’t just a United States issue as well.
this is true… its not just Discord… politics are pushing hard on tech… like Facebook, Google, well everything basically… They want to push age verification everywhere.
Its really dangerous, and I will never comply (even though I have nothing to hide). I already deleted my discord. I will not join back anymore. Its too late already.
Each chat, social network or anything that is trying to implement this -> ACCOUNT DELETED.
Edit: Discord’s preparation to go public with an IPO… So go away from discord now.
ahem… politics is NOT pushing on tech…
tech is pushing and telling politics what to do. tech controls politics now
What I’m saying isn’t that you should or shouldn’t delete social media accounts. What I’m saying is that eventually they’re all going to HAVE to do it to be able to operate within certain countries. The account deletion/boycott/etc isn’t enough, you have to go after the political leaders that are FORCING companies into these deals cause governments are GOING to continue to go after companies to force the whole of the internet into surveilling users. Policy and laws need to be changed. The work HAS to be done.
I just host my own open source instances. Like matrix for chat. And mbin for the fediverse. This is how I now communicate with you.
No age verification. Mbin will never implement it either. And matrix won’t either. Otherwise I will fork matrix also.
Good for you, honestly. But not the point I’m trying to make at all.
They don’t actually care about age verification, they just want the personal information.
This became incredibly obvious to me several months ago. I was trying to buy vape parts (coils and tanks, no liquids or batteries or anything) and the site wanted me to do a 3-D selfie to verify my age.
First of all, absolfuckinglutely not. Second of all, metal and plastic aren’t controlled substances so there’s no reason I even should have been carded, much less asked for 3-D face scan shit… so yeah it wasn’t FOR anything other than data mining.
100% accurate.
I’m just going to repeat myself for the hundredth time here. This is exactly what happens when you define words in such broad terms. Social media does not include things like discord. It doesn’t include Reddit, it doesn’t include Lemmy. But because so many damn people just refer to any site that they can talk with other people on as social media, it became enshrined in law and now literally every service you touch is legally defined as social media.
This is not hyperbole; with the current definitions across numerous countries, Amazon (the place where you buy things, not other services like games) is legally defined as social media.
Words mean things and when words are hijacked for other purposes it allows governments to strip away your rights without you realizing.
Okay, I’m gonna ask: why is reddit not social media?
It’s a forum. Just like all the other forums before it. It just happened to get very popular. To be clearer: if you define Reddit as social media then you are including almost every single website on the planet. It makes the definition completely pointless.
Regulations shouldn’t be defined in this way.
I vote for this guy for president.
I grew up with certain words meaning certain things. Then I get older, and suddenly, those words are gone, new words exist, old words mean new things, medical terms are now no longer medical terms and just purely an insult derived from a definition that didn’t used to define the root word. Pluto isn’t a planet. Instead of 9 planets, there are now an unknown number at least in the thousands. There’s like 4 other Earths.
Language shouldn’t change over time. It can adapt, but I should know that grass is green. Not grass is plubertatude. A word I just made up for the demonstration of absurdity. Nothing wrong with grass being green.
why downvote this comment?
I disagree. By definition social media is “new media technology that facitilates the creation, sharing and aggregation of content amongst virtual communities and networks” so Reddit and Lemmy are social networks.
There are several subkinds of social networks some are worse for kids (and adults) than others. Most sites in the internet don’t allow users to create and share content, online newspaper only may allow users to comment but the content comes from “journalists” and collaborators.
Discord is used like a forum though, with chat capabilities but it’s social at it’s core.
And by that definition you include every website on the planet. Your blog, the comment section of your local news, etc.
Just because you think that news sites comment sections aren’t included doesn’t mean that definition doesn’t include it, cause it does. That applies to that entire definition.
No it doesn’t. It’s in plural. A blog is a single person creating and sharing, others may comment but that’s it. It’s a single person (well it can be many authors but that’s covered in the newspaper example), that’s why I used newspaper sites, they don’t facilitate the creation, sharing and aggregation of content amongst virtual communities and network.
Reddit, facebook, instagram, tiktok, lemmy allows people to create communities, content and sharing. A blog allows ONE person to publish stuff, rarely it builds a community but it can happen, so can happen if you manage to read my diary with a bunch of strangers.
The definition you quoted comes from a 2010 business paper that literally states that it includes blogs. So yes, it does, because that’s where all these business and political morons got the definition.
If you create a website, then you are sharing content. And if people read that content then you have created a network. That’s the “definition” according to the government.
But that’s not what social media ever meant. Honestly I’m not going to argue this again, if you really want to see the true nexus of what social media was and is you can read my previous comments on the matter. I’m sure you can find them in my profile.
Suffice to say, social media is an incredibly narrow subset of social networks and the internet isn’t a social network though it is a “network where people are social”.