Last panel gets it wrong, though.
Rest of the world totally thinks that there is such a thing as original American food:
High-caloric, hyper-processed junk containing no significant nutritional value but much too much fat, fructose sirup and carcinogenic substances.
That, and watery beer.The watery beer thing hasn’t been true in 30 years, and generally US beats the entire world for beer these days. Asian beer sucks in general, and Europe can usually only do a couple different styles well.
Comment was not about what is, but what the rest of the world thinks it to be.
And that is not fancy West Coast craft beer or so, but Bud Light and Coors, I am afraid…Don’t all countries have mass produced shitty light lagers or pilsners that don’t taste like much? As far as I know all European countries have giant corporations producing shitty beer. The ones I’ve had personally include Amstel, Kronenbourg, Bitburger, Stella, Urquell, etc, and they’re all universally one note with a light taste on the same level as Budweiser.
I wasn’t around to be drinking back when the “US beer is pisswater” stereotype was around, so I’m not sure why the US got singled out. Maybe the Bud and Coors types were all there was so there were no smaller brands to point to as a sign of quality. But if that stereotype is still around it’s from people who’ve been living under a rock for literal decades.
It seems like it’s just become almost a figure of speech without any meaning these days. The amount of Irish guys I know who will talk about American beer being piss that will then clock out for the day and post up in the pub to suck down Coors Light all night is unreal.
AFAIK, jambalaya, and gumbo are both USAmerican foods.
There’s also whatever the fuck the Midwest is doing, but we don’t talk about them.
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l don’t dispute that (and also that they are probably great - had neither so far, as they are largely unknown here).
It’s just that nobody outside of the States thinks of these when they hear “US food”.
Also: The jello salad is hilarious!
Hadn’t it been a wikipedia link, I would have thought it to be you trying to pull my leg. :-)also barbecue and grilling culture is huge out here. not always fond of the US but damn I love a good cookout
There is also the American national dish of cereal (frequently meaning lumps of coloured sugar mixed with lumps of different-coloured sugar).
I dont eant to hear anybody shit on our cereal while this abomination is still a thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagelslag
Dudes be eating sprinkles for breakfast and shit on our cereal? Gtfo.
Dude’s coming from a Swedish Lemmy instance, so quite probably is a Swede.
Swedes don’t eat Hagelslag, that’s a Dutch thing, so I guess he is entitled to stay ;-)
Cereal was made by old man kellog to feed to his insane asylum inmates at his battle creek, mi sanitorium, as a low protein food that would lessen the masturbation of the inmates.
He put mittens on some they could not get off so they did not whack it at night.
He did not run an insane asylum. It was a health resort. The cereal was for people who suffered from upset stomachs which was highly common because people were inflaming their digestive tracks and giving themselves stomach cancer because tonics were popular at the time and were full of crazy shit. Not just opium and other fun stuff.
He was so against sexual gratification he did thing mitten thing for children and a teenagers, also physical restraints but never inmates, closest would be orphanages but also promoted the practice to his playing clientele
Kellog was a crazy religious nut but the kind that wouldn’t even fuck his wife, let alone children like the sickos we’re stuck with today. All in all, I prefer his style of crazy religious nut vs the rapey kind.
It’s not disputed he ran a sanitorium. I don’t get it when people online just refute established fact. There is not any debate, there is a historical record, and it’s not disputed, and Kellog ran a Sanitorium, was obsessed with masturbation, and was a crazy old bitch. Why try and revise that unilaterally? Am I supposed to prove established fact with sources to prove common knowledge? I get my fill of that in politics, I may have to do it with federal agents executing citizens under false pretense, but I will not waste further time on it for this.
Yes it was a sanitarium, it it wasn’t not an insane asylum or a prison. It was a health resort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Creek_Sanitarium
The Battle Creek Sanitarium was a world-renowned health resort in Battle Creek, Michigan, United States.[3] It started in 1866 on health principles advocated by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and from 1876 to 1943 was managed by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg.[4]
I’ve showed you one of my sources, now you show me yours.
I am not arguing settled historical fact. If you want to overturn the historical record, take it up with the historians first.
Settled facts is a weird name for the pop history nonsense.
Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog.
FUCK kellog.
Alfredo pasta was invented in Italy.
The US invented its own dish and gave it the same name.
America has distinctive quick breads like southern biscuits and flapjacks, many desserts were invented by the Pennsylvania dutch (like doughnuts and approximately a billion cakes and pies), several excellent kinds of whiskey, a galaxy of unique bbqs, Cajun food, distinctive east and west coast deli styles, a distinctive style of fried chicken, chocolate chip cookies, deep dish pizza, french dip sandwiches…
The one I love is German Chocolate Cake. Invented in either Pennsylvania, or New York, the prole’s last name was German.
Especially funny as Pecans are a very American thing, they don’t even grow in Europe.
So probably a significant part of the US population thinks because of this cake that Germans bake Pecan based stuff, while most Germans (me included) haven’t seen a Pecan nut in their whole life. :-)Honestly most Americans think more about the coconut in that cake than the handful of pecans that can be left out of the recipe altogether depending on the area of the country that you’re in.
From what I can tell, most Americans don’t even realize that schnitzel is basically what they/we call “country fried chicken/beef/pork,” and assume that wörst in the form of various sausages, and beer are all that German cuisine consist of. Maybe some sort of doughnut as well, named after Berlin.
In this thread: Europeans being casually xenophobic about immigrants in The Americas and the dishes they bring from home, thus proving this new community’s point.
Anyway while I’m on my European slander streak, let me tell you a story: One time i was staying in a hostel in Montreal and there was a French guy (like, a l’hexagon French, not Quebecois) there. He unironically said to me “A single tomato from France tastes better than this shit you call poutine.” That quote lives rent free in my head.
Also you wanna know why he was in Montreal? Cuz he couldn’t get a job in France. peak comedy
Europeans being casually xenophobic about immigrants in The Americas and the dishes they bring from home, thus proving this new community’s point.
No shit. Orange chicken was invented by a Chinese-American chef in Hawaii. Chicken alfredo was invented in the US by combining the Italian dish fettuccine al burro with cream and chicken. And breakfast tacos were an adaptation of a Mexican dish tacos de guisados, except Texans used eggs, instead of yesterday’s stewed leftovers. (Also, I’m not sure the OP and community admin even gets the point.)
American is not just a single culture, it’s a melting pot of a bunch of different cultures. Same goes for Canada, just with a different mix of dominant cultures. American food is a reflection of that, sometimes remixing the idea so much that it turns into something else. Cajun food wouldn’t exist without a mixture of French and American influences.
America may be constantly battling racism and xenophobia internally, but we recognize it for what it is: a shit behavior that should should be excised. European and Eastern cultures like Japan are so casually racist and xenophobic that they don’t even recognize it in themselves.
The Axis powers came to be out of a combination of elements, but xenophobia was the biggest one. Germany got their shit together in the end, after brutal period of being forcefully separated themselves, and a period of self-reflection. Italy and Japan? Yeah, not so much.
So, to the OP: I hope your new community isn’t yet another outlet to be racist.
America may be constantly battling racism and xenophobia internally, but we recognize it for what it is: a shit behavior that should should be excised. European and Eastern cultures like Japan are so casually racist and xenophobic that they don’t even recognize it in themselves.
The best way I’ve heard it described is that Americans consider racism something you do, while the rest of the world tends to view it as something you are.
To an American, if someone is a racist, it’s because they do racist things. So Americans are actually fairly good at recognizing and excising casual racism, because they recognize it as a behavior they can change. But this also means Americans are fairly quick to judge individual actions as racist, because they see it as something that should be improved upon in the future. To an American, a racist is racist because they have recognized their own racist behaviors and don’t see them as a problem.
Meanwhile, Europeans and Asians tend to think of racism as something you are. And that’s a big difference, because it makes them much less adept at identifying the more casual forms of racism. Because even if they’re casually racist, they’ll simply tell themselves “well I’m not a racist, therefore my actions weren’t racist.” Since that binary “is/is not a racist” flag hasn’t flipped in their brain, they’re able to tell themselves that their individual actions aren’t racist.
It’s like Europeans need to be at least 51% racist in order to be considered racist, so anything below that amount is excusable. Individual people will obviously have different thresholds for when that Boolean bit gets flipped from “not racist” to “racist”, but it still needs to hit that personal threshold before they’ll start calling out racism. And europeans will tend to judge their own actions much more leniently, like a zealot telling themselves that God is on their side so their bad deeds aren’t really bad.
But that causes interesting culture shocks whenever Americans interact with Europeans or Asians. Europeans are quick to jump on the “all Americans are racist” bandwagon, and the American will tend to nod along and agree because they recognize that everyone has the potential to be racist. Then the American will see the Europeans do/say some vile racist shit, and start to call it out. But then the European gets defensive and adamantly states that they’re not a racist… Because the European takes the “hey that was pretty fucked up and racist, don’tcha think” as a personal “you are a racist” attack, instead of a “that individual action was racist, and you should examine why you did it” behavioral check.
And the American will be confused on why the European immediately jumped all the way to “why are you calling me a racist? I’m not racist” argument. Because in their experience, the only people who immediately jump to that are the full blown reich-wing racists who don’t see their own racist actions as a problem, but want to continue existing in a civilized society. Labeling someone as a racist is a big deal for an American, because it means the person has refused to examine their own racist behaviors, or has done so and sees no problem with the racism. To an American, labeling someone a racist is basically the nuclear “I’ve exhausted all other possibilities, and can only conclude that they’re doing it on purpose” option.
So Americans will often walk away from the interactions thinking “holy fuck those Europeans were really goddamned racist” simply because the Europeans refused to acknowledge that their own individual actions had the potential to be racist. Meanwhile, the Europeans will think that Americans are really fucking racist because Americans are quick to call it out amongst themselves.
Ahh, the humble French tomato… which originated from the Americas…
Italians have the world convinced they invented the tomato. People will get violently disagreeable absolutely convinced the Tomato originated with Italians.
Meanwhile the fr*nch sold our pörkölt as “goulash”, which comes from gulyásleves instead, but it’s a stew, not a soup. At least this didn’t cause issues here, until some morons thought it would be a good idea to copy the English kitchen, so they started to make “minimalist” interpretations of our food, to make it “tastier” and more “high class”. Results: boullions are not replaced with soup but with tap water (please, at least use boullions for any goulash dderivative!), cumin and celery being left out, and the end result is just cheap meat flavored with paprika and salt. “But at least Gordon Ramsey would be proud of me!”
Fun fact: orange chicken was invented by Hawaiian Chinese guys who ran the Panda Express in Honolulu. They wanted to create a dish that reflected the sort of flavors that were popular at Chinese restaurants in Hawai’i. So it’s not an “American” concoction. It’s rooted in the culture of Chinese in Hawai’i, who were invited to live and work in Hawai’i back in the kingdom days.
Pizza was invented in the US. By an italian immigrant, but it still counts.
in Hawai’i. So it’s not an “American”
Is Hawaii not in the U.S.? Or was it not in the U.S. at the time of the early Panda Express?
Hawai’i is not located on the North American continent, so it doesn’t count as “American.” I often describe Hawai’i to people as “it might be the United States, but it isn’t America.” The Chinese and Japanese cultural influence here is quite strong (particularly on O’ahu, where I live) and has deeply established ties. Chinese were invited here by King Kamehameha I to harvest sandalwood. Japanese came at the invitation of King Kalakaua, who actually went to Japan and met with the Emperor Meiji to try and establish economic connections to temper the over-influence of American and European influences during his reign. So when one talks about, say, the cuisine of Hawai’i, one is dealing with a fairly unique culture–one that was later annexed into the United States. So, yes, Hawai’i had long been a state by the time Panda Express operated here (which was started in California by Chinese Americans), but the culinary influence that resulted in orange chicken was rooted in something that goes back a long way. If that makes sense.
Now do Chop Suey.
Wake up
Grab a brush and put a little makeupSomething something keys and something table
Why did you leave the key up on the table
Appreciate you, but I think I had it right.
Fusion, mostly. Latino coworker from Texas told me Burritos are neither Mexican nor American, but a beautiful Texas border food fusion. Anecdotal, but the guys son is a professional chef.
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Migration and transplanting of cultures has massively increased in the last 100 years though… Shit changed a lot slower in the past.
If you went back to the time of Leonardo DaVinci you wouldn’t find tomatoes anywhere in Italy. Tomatoes are indigenous to Central America yet today it seems almost impossible to imagine Italian food without tomatoes! The introduction of tomatoes to Italian cooking might’ve been more gradual but the transformation was far greater than anything we see now.
I always laugh when I hear this. You don’t have to imagine Italian food without tomatoes, you could just go to Italy. This whole idea that Italian food uses lots of tomato sauce, or tomatoes in general is a very italian-american thing. There’s tons of Italian food, I might even say the majority of, that doesn’t use tomatoes. It’s really only southern Italy that uses tomatoes. That’s why it became so popular. During the migration to America, it was mostly southern Italians (Sicily, Calabria).
Like this meme, the idea that Italians use tomatoes in everything is mostly an American thing.
Pasta dishes containing tomatoes are eaten in every region of Italy. The two most recognizable Italian dishes in the world are easily spaghetti marinara and pizza Margherita. Northern Italian food, with its cured meats, hard cheeses, risottos, and stews are far less well known and recognizable as Italian cuisine (not to mention distinct from French, Swiss, and Alpine German cuisine) to anyone outside of Europe, not just Americans.
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Hamburgers, meatloaf, gumbo, and all sorts of southern food is American.
*Edit. Some of you think hamburgers weren’t an American creation. Y’all are incorrect. The humburg meat was never put between bread. The sandwich hamburger is a US creation.
Dude, Hamburgers are literally named after the non-US city they originally came from…
But I have to admit that the refinement to its delicious present day form is an American achievement!That’s a Hamburg steak. Not a hamburger, since there’s no bun
Na, buddy. You’re wrong. The Hamburg thing is just about a mashed up piece of meat. Not the hamburger. Putting the meat in the bun to make a sandwich is 100% US like 125 years ago.
That’s quite disputed.
One of the more likely theories states that the bun idea together with the ground meat steak originated in Hamburg, where it was a variant of the common “Rundstück warm”, which has been around since 200 years ago or so.It’s less disputed than most food origins. I looked up your rundstuck warm food. Dunno why you’re trying to make that argument, because because that sure looks nothing like a hamburger, nor does it get eaten like one. That it didn’t use ground beef aside, it being covered in gravy is a dead giveaway.
The original hamburger was more like a meatloaf. It was a hamburg steak, meant to be eaten with a fork and knife just like a modern meatloaf. The modern hamburger is 100% an American invention, because America was the place that first turned it into a sandwich.
Literary all of those dishes have origins outside of the US lol
So does all human society, this is a stupid argument.
My point is that US people tend to claim ownership to a lot of things that were not invented there. I’m all for sharing culture and food and transforming them to something new, but don’t claim they are your invention.
Like as american as apple pie is an expression for a dish from Germany and the Netherlands.
We invented the chocolate chip cookie, man. That pretty much means we won. Lol
Haha, can’t argue with that logic. And cookie dough ice cream!
Nah, I as an naturalized American citizen I do not want stuff I create to be called “Chinese”, its xenophobic. I mean, you can say “Chinese-American” to refer to me but not “Chinese”. Cuz why is a white US Citizen creating stuff labeled as “American” while stuff I make is not “American”? Double standards.
If I come up with a new food receipe, its American food. If I make a painting, that’s made by an American artist. If I publish a book, that’s written by an American writer. Don’t fucking try to “other” me.
Italia is missing out on Chicago Style Pan Pizza and Italian Beef sandwiches. Thank you Italian immigrants for adapting and creating the delicious food.
Chicago Style Pan Pizza
That’s a casserole.
Italian Beef sandwiches
That’s a sandwich with beef in a panini.
Please don’t misuse European countries names as adjectives, that’s offensive.
When you bring "your"food across our borders, it becomes “our” food
Theft is how the English language works, so why not food too? Since the actual English suck at the food part, America is happy to pick up the slack. Some of us are even appreciative of it.
