It is statistically impossible that everyone will choose red. That’s just a fact. If enough people choose red…millions or even billions of people will die. That’s what you’re choosing.
no its not. its not a random event. its a logical event. Anyone who looks at how the system works will see that no one can die unless they choose to option to possibly die. There is zero reason to protect anyone because everyone is immune to being killed if they want to. Statistics is about how things will fall when there is variation. Everyone eats enough when they have access to food to not starve. Its not a statistical impossibility for that to happen becuase its a logical occurence. So everyone can choose red because the rules make that the logical choice. Pressing red does not kill anyone unless they chose to be a a death group. Pressing blue is what kills people. Again it would only take a slight variation to completely upend this thought experiment but as written red is the obvious choice. Like if the rule was the last person to choose defaulted to blue or something then it would completely change what to push as there is a victim but as it stands any victims created themselves due to some delusion that they are procting other victims who chose to be in the situation.
There’s nothing “logical” about what you’re saying.
Here is the logic behind both strategies…
The “red” strategy requires a 100% unanimous decision in order for everyone to survive. That means that all 8 billion people on Earth need to all make the same choice.
Versus the “blue” strategy that only requires a simple majority of 51% in order for everyone to survive.
The “logical” solution is to do the math. It is far more likely to achieve a simple majority than it is to achieve perfect unity. By choosing red, you are guaranteeing that at least some people will die, versus choosing blue which guarantees that everyone survives.
The red strategy guarantees the user and everone survives because the only way for a death to occur is for someone to press blue.
The blue strategy attemps to protect other people who press blue because they feel they might even though absolutely no one will die unless people press blue.
Deaths can only occur if the people in the pool press blue. Red guarantees no deaths if people are logical about how the system works. There is no math as death can only occur from choosing blue. Blue does the opposite of guaranteeing everyone survives from choosing red because any blue presses make death a possible outcome. It is the very opposite of guranteeing everyone survives.
So, you disagree with the math? Or you’re just assuming that every person on the planet would choose to sacrifice other people in order to save themselves?
Because either you understand the math, and know that choosing red is going to kill other people…or you don’t understand the math.
The math is irrelevant. Everyone if they choose blue is choosing death. The setup can only kill people who choose blue. Choosing red causes no deaths only choosing blue when not enough people do. It is foolish for anyone to choose blue period. The rules make it impossible for anyone to die if they choose red. Therefore the logical thing to do is for everyone to choose red.
So you admit that your decision is not based on logic.
Everyone if they choose blue is choosing death. The setup can only kill people who choose blue.
But you seem so sure that it’s not only possible that everyone will choose the same button…that it’s even a certainty. So, why pick the red one? If everyone is going to push the same one, what’s the difference which button they all push?
The fact that you think it’s possible for everyone to choose the same button, while simultaneously thinking that choosing the blue button equals certain death, seems pretty bizarre. Your own conclusions contradict your so-called “logic”.
The rules make it impossible for anyone to die if they choose red.
That’s not what the rules say, at all. I’m not convinced you’ve actually heard what the conditions even are.
The fact you think math and logic are the same thing indicates you do not understand logic. It not about what buttons anyone pushes its about how the system works. Its a system where the rules state only people who push blue have the possibility of dying. Therefore people will only die if people press blue. Without blue button pushes. No one dies. This logic problem is really getting me to understand why the world is insane to me. Pushing red is not about greedily defending your life. Its about reading the rules and seeing what is sensible. You can add a moral element by adding just the smallest tweak. There are many ways to do it but musical chairs is likely the easiest where the last button pusher loses a choice and gets blue. But because the rules as laid out. Does not require anyone to be blue or to press blue and further since the only people that can die are ones that push blue. The logical thing is for everyone to press red. I really don’t see how to make this more apparent. People only die if they press blue. Pressing blue is basically saying I want a chance to die.
Ok. Now I know you don’t actually understand how this dil MMA is framed…or you’re just messing with me.
There are only two outcomes to this thought experiment.
the majority of people press blue…and everyone lives.
or
the majority of people press red…everyone else dies.
There is NO scenario where everyone presses the same button. Blue or red. That is not possible.
That means…if the majority of people push red, then someone is going to die. How many people depends on the final outcome. It will be anywhere from 49.9% to less than 1%…but no matter what that final balance is…someone will die.
The only scenario where no one does, is if the majority presses blue. It’s just a simple majority. Any more than 50%, and everyone lives. Blue and red.
You keep insisting that it’s “logical” that everyone votes red…but that isn’t possible. That makes your argument completely irrational, no matter how you try to explain it. You are simply not engaging with reality, based on the rules of the game.
It is statistically impossible that everyone will choose red. That’s just a fact. If enough people choose red…millions or even billions of people will die. That’s what you’re choosing.
no its not. its not a random event. its a logical event. Anyone who looks at how the system works will see that no one can die unless they choose to option to possibly die. There is zero reason to protect anyone because everyone is immune to being killed if they want to. Statistics is about how things will fall when there is variation. Everyone eats enough when they have access to food to not starve. Its not a statistical impossibility for that to happen becuase its a logical occurence. So everyone can choose red because the rules make that the logical choice. Pressing red does not kill anyone unless they chose to be a a death group. Pressing blue is what kills people. Again it would only take a slight variation to completely upend this thought experiment but as written red is the obvious choice. Like if the rule was the last person to choose defaulted to blue or something then it would completely change what to push as there is a victim but as it stands any victims created themselves due to some delusion that they are procting other victims who chose to be in the situation.
There’s nothing “logical” about what you’re saying.
Here is the logic behind both strategies…
The “red” strategy requires a 100% unanimous decision in order for everyone to survive. That means that all 8 billion people on Earth need to all make the same choice.
Versus the “blue” strategy that only requires a simple majority of 51% in order for everyone to survive.
The “logical” solution is to do the math. It is far more likely to achieve a simple majority than it is to achieve perfect unity. By choosing red, you are guaranteeing that at least some people will die, versus choosing blue which guarantees that everyone survives.
I disagree.
The red strategy guarantees the user and everone survives because the only way for a death to occur is for someone to press blue.
The blue strategy attemps to protect other people who press blue because they feel they might even though absolutely no one will die unless people press blue.
Deaths can only occur if the people in the pool press blue. Red guarantees no deaths if people are logical about how the system works. There is no math as death can only occur from choosing blue. Blue does the opposite of guaranteeing everyone survives from choosing red because any blue presses make death a possible outcome. It is the very opposite of guranteeing everyone survives.
So, you disagree with the math? Or you’re just assuming that every person on the planet would choose to sacrifice other people in order to save themselves?
Because either you understand the math, and know that choosing red is going to kill other people…or you don’t understand the math.
The math is irrelevant. Everyone if they choose blue is choosing death. The setup can only kill people who choose blue. Choosing red causes no deaths only choosing blue when not enough people do. It is foolish for anyone to choose blue period. The rules make it impossible for anyone to die if they choose red. Therefore the logical thing to do is for everyone to choose red.
So you admit that your decision is not based on logic.
But you seem so sure that it’s not only possible that everyone will choose the same button…that it’s even a certainty. So, why pick the red one? If everyone is going to push the same one, what’s the difference which button they all push?
The fact that you think it’s possible for everyone to choose the same button, while simultaneously thinking that choosing the blue button equals certain death, seems pretty bizarre. Your own conclusions contradict your so-called “logic”.
That’s not what the rules say, at all. I’m not convinced you’ve actually heard what the conditions even are.
The fact you think math and logic are the same thing indicates you do not understand logic. It not about what buttons anyone pushes its about how the system works. Its a system where the rules state only people who push blue have the possibility of dying. Therefore people will only die if people press blue. Without blue button pushes. No one dies. This logic problem is really getting me to understand why the world is insane to me. Pushing red is not about greedily defending your life. Its about reading the rules and seeing what is sensible. You can add a moral element by adding just the smallest tweak. There are many ways to do it but musical chairs is likely the easiest where the last button pusher loses a choice and gets blue. But because the rules as laid out. Does not require anyone to be blue or to press blue and further since the only people that can die are ones that push blue. The logical thing is for everyone to press red. I really don’t see how to make this more apparent. People only die if they press blue. Pressing blue is basically saying I want a chance to die.
Ok. Now I know you don’t actually understand how this dil MMA is framed…or you’re just messing with me.
There are only two outcomes to this thought experiment.
or
There is NO scenario where everyone presses the same button. Blue or red. That is not possible.
That means…if the majority of people push red, then someone is going to die. How many people depends on the final outcome. It will be anywhere from 49.9% to less than 1%…but no matter what that final balance is…someone will die.
The only scenario where no one does, is if the majority presses blue. It’s just a simple majority. Any more than 50%, and everyone lives. Blue and red.
You keep insisting that it’s “logical” that everyone votes red…but that isn’t possible. That makes your argument completely irrational, no matter how you try to explain it. You are simply not engaging with reality, based on the rules of the game.