Asked whether a potential meeting would take place in the US or in a different place, Trump replied, “I don’t know. I haven’t really heard too much about it.” He continued, “I didn’t suggest it [a meeting], but some people have suggested it.”
“If it happened, it would be happening. I’d be respectful.” White House correspondent Peter Doocy, co-anchor of The Sunday Briefing for Fox News, then asked the president, “Do you think because Epic Fury killed his dad and his wife and his kid that he has hard feelings?”
Trump said, “Well, I would say I’m not his favorite person, but with that being said, he’s probably a professional. In some circles he has a very good reputation, actually.”
I’m working as hard as I can to undermine him, but I’m a disabled photographer five thousand kilometers away. What, exactly, am I supposed to do to fix this, that I’m not already doing? I’m too weak to use a gun, I’m shit at rallying forces, and besides, America is far too distributed to amass people at a single point. Even if I did somehow summon up the motor skills to outwit the Secret Service and be the best assassin in the world, I’d have to be okay with losing my wife and my friends, as I’m executed basically on the spot. I can’t lose that. Trump will die before I do, and it will likely be by his own ragged mind.
Goddamm I need to get this phrase hotkeyed on my keyboard with how often I need to say it to people online who don’t know how spread out the US is.
Our 5 largest cities have a nighttime pop of 1:20 of the total population. In Germany that figure is over 1:10 and in France and UK it’s more like 1:5.
The largest city in the US is NYC with a nighttime population of 2.5% of the total US population, that same figure for France is 3.1%, in Germany, almost 1:20 Germans live in Berlin alone and in the UK 135:1,000 live in just London.
The US has a very small urban population for its size. This isn’t to mention that the two largest cities are separated by a 2,000 mile desert and border two different oceans. The only way to congregate most Americans is through the Herculean task of mobilizing the suburbs, which has had some success (No Kings Day is the largest nonviolent protest in history), but is still much harder than rallying in more urbanocentric European countries.
I suspect that the relatively small size of European nations has made it much easier for them to have coherent protestors. The politicians have to be in physical proximity to their constituents, which puts their skin on the line if people snap. Getting enough angry people to surround bad leaders is a key ingredient to a healthy democracy.
This is a common circle for people like us to run around in.
Yes, there are many individuals who are doing a lot, punching far above their weight class.
My point is when I boycott American products, advocate for the US to be punished politically and economically, when I spread the message loud and clear where I am that “America is the enemy”, that necessitates putting YOU in the crosshairs of my actions.
Do I love that? No, we’re on the same team. Is that going to stop me? Absolutely not.
The best analogy I can think of is sports. I’m gonna hate your hockey team because they’re our rival, they play dirty on the ice, etc. One of your players might feed the hungry and use their money to build orphanages, but that doesn’t change the fact that I’ll be cheering for your team to fail.
Maybe there’s nothing else you can possibly do. Truly. Life’s not fair. But you and I both know that the average American citizen is doing basically nothing. That’s the “person” I’m talking to when I post things like this. I can’t individually judge 350 million people, so I have to address your average. Your average sucks.
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Notice the difference? Me neither.
Uh the difference is being anti-American is clearly and objectively the correct stance and your country brought it on yourselves.
Iran’s government are no saints, but they sure as shit aren’t the aggressors in this situation. So fuck off, it is not remotely the same
Sure, you can be against the US government, especially the current administration. I’m against the current administration. I voted against them. Stop trying to pin responsibility on people who don’t even support what’s happening.
The US/Israeli of Iran was illegal and uncalled for, and I’m firmly opposed to it. No one here is saying otherwise. We’re saying that you generalizing the actions of the US government to the entire population, despite widespread disapproval, is wrong. And it’s no different than someone blaming the people of Iran for the actions of the regime. Those people didn’t deserve to die. Most of them were protesting against their own government.
In both cases, the issue is prejudice. And you can’t deflect from that by making strawman arguments against points that I’m not even making.
If the people of Iran were as complacent as the American people I would blame them too.
They’ve been far, FAR braver than Americans, and in the face of way more brutal oppression. And for a long time too. I would never compare the Iranian people to the American people. That would be a huge insult to the Iranian people.
How fucking stupid does one have to be to equate boycotting US brands and launching a fucking tomahawk missile at an elementary school. Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
Let’s back up a bit for those with selective amnesia. This is how this comment chain started:
If you don’t see how the exact same logic is at play, then I can’t help you. Equivalent logic structures (invalid though they be) doesn’t imply equal severity, and I’m tired of the disingenuous argument that it does.
Like the classic: “I’m suffering” “NO YOU’RE NOT, BECAUSE I’M SUFFERING MORE!!!”
Let me guess, you probably also think every German is a nazi and every Jew is a zionist? Cause that’s the same kind of generalization you’re making. The same kind of fallacy that the US and Israel have weaponized to rationalize murdering civilians across the middle east.
As a human, I love you.
Maybe it’s on me, but after comparing boycotting mcdonalds to a literal war crime… to come back by trying to convince me to cut Nazi Germany some slack.
You do you. I always say to people now, that you never now need to guess what you’d have done if you were in nazi Germany, it’s whatever you’re doing now.
I don’t expect everyone to have taken a Crack at hitler. Or to have sabotaged a fuel truck. Or have sheltered a Jew.
But, apparently, what YOU would have done is write scathing rebuttals to the Allies who were critical of the bystanders. You would have been arguing that the rest of the world was asking too much of the German people.
When did I say anything about cutting nazi Germany slack? Is that how you interpret questioning whether you think every German is a nazi? Cause if so you either need to work on your reading comprehension, or get over your teutophobia.
Plenty of people in nazi Germany were against the regime. They couldn’t leave much of a public record, for obvious reasons, but they were there. There was a German resistance, but it didn’t last very long before getting crushed.
What you’re arguing is essentially that the Allied forces making their way through Germany should have been roughing up civilians, because they were Germans and apparently, according to you, that makes them nazis.
That is a terrible argument, and fortunately one that most sane people reject outright. But you’re making it here about USians, many of whom don’t support the current administration.
Focus all your ire on the administration, on trump supporters and the entire maga movement, on congressional republicans, on supreme court conservatives, on billionaire oligarchs and the right-wing media, hell even on DINO spoiler voter members of congress and the complacent, centrist, and corporatist leadership of the democratic party. You’ll get no argument from me there.
But to accuse the entire US population? That’s no different than blaming the civilians living under any other dictatorship, and if you continue to insist that you’re in the right for doing so then you can kindly fuck off.
Well said. Very well said.
The complacent public in Germany were absolutely at fault. The complacent public in Israel were absolutely at fault.
Not every American is MAGA, but every American that just shrugs and says “I’ve got bigger fish to fry” while they can absolutely do more is absolutely at fault.
Red line after red line after red line and no real resistance? Cowards.
Tell me, what will you do when Trump is not removed in November after elections (if they even happen)? When your illusion of your checks and balances saving you finally falls apart completely? You have 5 months left. Maybe spend some time thinking about that.
I am prepared to die in this country.
I do not deserve to die in this country, I don’t choose to live here.
But because I am transgender, my federal government explicitly wants me dead.
And the populations of other countries do not care for my survival, because I was born on an overseas American military base, and then brought here as a child, means I am a citizen of this evil empire.
And I understand that even though I myself am not evil, I am a member of an evil empire, and my government and large portions of the outside world want me injured or dead in some way.
But I am scrappy and I have a heart full of love and beauty.
And I outlived Charlie Kirk.
Then you good.
Each according to thier ability.
The thing that drives the world nuts is when people in the US are like “not my responsibility”.
Crazy, considering the person who spurred on this whole thread was blanket assuming that everyone in the country is allowing this to happen.
How’d you manage to miss that and then write this comment?
We’re different people and I was offering another more understanding voice to the mix.
What do you want? Me to do the sign of the cross and give a blanket absolution to all Americans on behalf of the rest of the world?
“Go, my children, your country may ravage the world I absolve you”. In the name of the father the son nato UN and all humanity. I offer this to all citizens of the USA, Russia, and Israel as they decimate civilians in illegal wars. Would be kinda shitty of me to not hand it out to them too, right? I mean… what can they do about it? Not really THIER problem, right? We’re all being a little judgemental by suggesting Russia get out of Ukraine or Israel out of Gaza, right? Let em in eurovision. Let em in the Olympics.
Not sure who I am to give it but if im giving that cool guy a break, I may as well give you one too, despite you being a total cunt. Not sure why you care (REALLY wish you’d introspect on that though, is it possible the uncomfort that makes you wanna lash out is that you know at some level you, as an american, are uniquely positioned to save the world like hollywood told you your whole life was your birthright, and instead you’re on the internet mad at foreigners pointing out your country is mudering civilians? That discord must be HARD).
By clearly demonstrating a lack of understanding. Great, I won’t bother reading the rest of this.
Haven’t you heard? You have to say “I’m working as hard as I can to undermine him” in every thread you participate in, or else you’re complicit with fascism. Those are the magic words. If you say them, you good (at least until the next conversation).
You might as well add it to your email signature just in case, so you won’t be a target during “the revolution,” as these people insist is actually going to happen.
In case you need it: /s
Yeah! I mean, not ALL men, right ladies?
Appealing to a shitty argument to try to justify your shitty argument is a strategy. Let’s see if it pays off for you
(It didn’t)
Where are you from?