Thousands of Southern Baptists overwhelmingly voted Wednesday to advance a formal ban on women pastors in the nation’s largest Protestant denomination, sending a clear message that men alone should preach to these conservative evangelical congregations.
Are the cultists having another bad day? Too bad.
I’m so sick of religious people.
You should listen to some things Christopher Hitchens says about religion. You’ll love how he cuts them down.
Just reassure me Hitchens isn’t falling in love with some AI, please.
Considering he died in 2011, I think that’s a safe bet.
This whole religious thing is just so gross. Another threat vector on the plane of working class struggle. Another hurdle to climb which is all by design cause people are afraid to die…or afraid to live. Guided by the angels of guilt and shame giving power to the demons of the here and now. The layers of the man made monstrous dumb dumb onion of no human progress. The capitalist lied, they got you to build the infrastructure not of living but the prison that you and your young will die in. They want their cake and eat it. It is exponential this desire.
Oh how they get chu with the ol good cop vs bad cop method. Wrapped around their little finger.
This all really bleeds over into why people do not think for themselves for they allow themselves to be guided like a horse. It is like the hypnotist that gets you to shoot your friend sitting next to you. Like a scene in a scifi movie. Or the still developing frontal cortex yet legal adult who was groomed from birth via shoot em video games, plus online military recruiters to one day join the imperialist empire of the USA to go kill women and children. Then go bananas when they come back and make the local news. One more familicied. Hurt people hurt people. This whole ass culture is traumatizing by design. “Race” vs “race” (what the fuck ever, their is only one race), Old against the young, city vs rural, small business owner vs working people and so on and so on. We have no third spaces without a capo corpo logo. We got choices of directions that lead to the same ends. A fork in the road with one handle. We are being herded and calmed… as they ram in the spike. We are our only friends. No one is comming. We are the adults in the room.
🎶Everybody wants to rule the world🎶 ummm actualy they don’t and you are a psychopath and that’s not normal.
Life is a stage and we all getting played.
Oh boy time for a new schism!
I wonder how many people are going to have to die in Christian Sectarian Terrorism over the next decade or so before any of them remember that the 1st Amendment exists to protect against one group of them taking over the government and using it to kill or disenfranchise all the heretics.
If you ever want to know how Trump took office, watch the Christian Broadcasting Network for an evening or check out their website.
Millions of people believe this crap, and Baptists are a big part of CBN. I attended church for many years as a kid, and they are unbelievably bat-shit crazy. You think I’m exaggerating, but the deeper you get into the faith, the more that will be revealed to you. They have schools that teach children, colleges, and more. They also love home schooling.
Even as church attendance falters, it’s so much more than that, and its reach is global.
…and remember, they will work together with other sects as they must against the secular world. It’s not just Baptists, but Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Assembly of God… all different faces of the same beast.
My mom was telling me about how there are hardly any people left at church.
Apparently they had a split between the progressive and conservative factions of the church, and the progressives all departed.
The progressives tended to be the young families with children. The conservatives tended to be the people who will be dead soon. Like the church.
Why are non southern baptist people getting pissed over what happens in the southern baptist convention? It literally doesn’t affect you 😐
Why is someone from the UK so butthurt about Americans reacting to American problems? You’re literally calling people in the comments bigots for making tongue-in-cheek comments about banning churches and pretending like morality is impossible to quantify and purely subjective.
This isn’t an American issue, it’s a Christian issue. Christian church structure doesn’t answer to secular morality.
Banning churches is religious bigotry.
Morality isn’t subjective. Morality has an objective foundation. For a Christian, that objective foundation for morality is found within The Bible correctly interpreted and read within context. The Bible forbids women from holding authority over men in ecclesial matters. Therefore it cannot be morally wrong.
Because these are highly organized lunatics who vote.
There isn’t correlation between an ecclesial issue and secular issue. Christianity forbids women to hold authority over men within the church. However, this doesn’t have anything to do with secular politics, ie, a female prime minister/president doesn’t contradict this. You can have no issue with female political figures or women in other places within secular environments, but disagree with them being appointed in Church leadership.
Same can go for other issues such as same-sex marriage as well, adultery, premarital relations, etc.
And there it is.
If anyone is wondering which of the Christian denominations popular in the United States are less shitty, know that Mr. Rogers was an ordained Presbyterian minister…
Our local United Church of Christ is very liberal, at least on social matters - so much so that one of our Unitarian Universalist communities was sharing their space for a while and everyone got on great it seems.
I grew up Southern Baptist, with a lean toward the even more fundamentalist side of things. I’m now Episcopalian. I remember Pastor Lynne, the first woman priest I ever had. Completely changed my perspective on this subject. It’s funny, but the clergy and theologians who have been the most influential to me in recent years have largely been women: Kate Sonderegger, Catherine Pickstock, Kathy Grieb (two of those names were professors of mine in seminary). And my diocese (Hawai’i) just elected the first woman to be our bishop in our history! Saint Mary Magdalene was the first person to proclaim the resurrection of Jesus, in effect making her the first Christian evangelist. Sad that there are still so many parts of the Christian world that fail to heed what Jesus was doing.
I used to live in a city with a very progressive Episcopalian Church (lesbian pastor, Philadelphia pride flag, “protect our immigrants”, actively helped the homeless, the whole shebang) but they were struggling (in terms of congregation numbers and I think finances too) because even though their messaging aligned with the political attitudes of many in this left-leaning city, most of those folks had abandoned religion in disgust altogether. I saw the same with a progressive Catholic chapter in another deep-blue city: their congregation was shrinking because Christianity as a whole had become so tainted in the public eye that the people who would have been most aligned with their message was turned off entirely.
So sad, but true. I recall a comment I read many years ago in response to the Episcopal Church’s progressive stances that said something like “I’m so happy that you’re doing that, but I’m no longer a Christian so… good for you all, I guess.”
There are also those who look at what we’re doing as basically a kind of marketing. While there are probably a few clergy in the Episcopal Church who see us as “Christianity, but not like you remember” or whatever, for the most part we Episcopalians have arrived at our progressive place out of a difficult struggle with being faithful to the gospel. When I hear the criticism that “if what you’re doing is true, how come more churches aren’t doing what you do?” (which can come from multiple angles), I always go back to Jesus saying that “narrow is the road that leads to salvation.” That and “take up your cross and follow me.” Following Jesus isn’t meant to be a path to political power and influence. The only time Jesus was ever in the halls of political power, it was for a sham trial in order to nail Him to a cross.
Wouldn’t the whole Jesus vs money changers thing count as him entering a metaphical hall of political power as well. That involved Jesus attacking those aligned with the established authorities for their own profit in a frothing rage.
Maybe? The money changers were operating in the Second Temple, which was the focus of Jewish religious/cultural identity. The High Priests held significant cultural sway… I suppose this is a fair argument. The money changers were also extorting their own people’s religious convictions for a dime, which feels quite resonant with what we’re seeing today.
That’s what happens when 20+ books are excluded from the Bible.
You’d think that people who claim to love the Bible as much as the Southern Baptists do would relish the opportunity to have MORE Bible!
Not when the missing books contradict their beliefs
What’s funny is that the included books often contradict their beliefs. And how do they handle that? Well, guess how many times I’ve heard a Southern Baptist preacher preach on Matthew 25: 31-46? (This is the one where Jesus says that people who neglect the poor and harm immigrants, etc. are effectively doing that to Him)
Allowing bronze age discriminating principles that reflect clearly bad morals are a sin not a virtue. These principles are also illegal in most civilized countries. Allowing special pleading for religions on issues we know are morally wrong, is a crime against humanity.
Dude. The bronze agers were a bit more advanced. Miriam was the high priestess, pictured here: https://miro.medium.com/v2/da:true/resize:fit:878/0*QTq2n4OGOSbo_F5q
Seated between the two temple pillars, Jachin (male principal, also mercy), and Boaz (feminine principal, severity. Yes I know Boaz was a male in the OT. Take it up with Rider and Waite).
So the Puritans were too hateful to get along with the British religious people, and centuries later, the Southern Baptists are too hateful to get along with Puritans descendants. And while Holiness churches are stricter, in some regards, women are leaders in the church, and also considered prophetesses, at least in my area.
Tl;dr Southern Baptist faith is less evolved than Bronze Age nomads.
I never claimed all Bronze age societies were equally immoral. But the Bible teaches that women must stay silent in assemblies, unless permitted to speak (by the men)
Generally:
1 Timothy 2:11-12 (NIV): “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.”But particularly in church:
1 Corinthians 14:34-35: "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. (referring to old testament law)
know are morally wrong
How do you know something is morally wrong?
Moderately surprised that the branch of Christianity devoted to preserving slavery didn’t already ban women from being pastors.
I vote to advance a formal ban on churches!
mask off. Bigots out here showing their true colours.
Remember, folks, the reason the SBC split from mainline baptists was because of slavery.
The northern Baptist’s were opposed to slavery and southern baptists saw slave owners as “missionaries”. That is, people whose job is to “proselytize” the Baptist leadership at the time was dominated by the north and rejected slave owners as missionaries, and so the asshole southerners split off. Cuz they didn’t want to give up their slaves.
So fuck the SBC in particular.
I spent a lot of time in SBC. 2026, they will not perform an interracial marriage for their congregation.
They are the cells of MAGA. Fuck them and I hope hell is real just for them.
Remember also the slavers gave slaves a different Bible than the slavers had, so slaves wouldn’t get ideas.
I mentioned above that I grew up Southern Baptist (not only as a church member, but also educated from preschool through high school at a Southern Baptist school; also attended two undergraduate schools with SBC roots) and guess what? They NEVER taught us this history. Wasn’t until I started paying attention to things that I began to really wonder why the “Southern” was in our name…
