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Politicians should get no peace. No taking out the garbage, no going out to eat, none of it without a mob screaming in their faces 24/7.
Genuine questions: then what is the solution and how have you contributed to it?
Genuine answer: organizing with your fellow people, and forming communities. It’s not an accident that seems such a monumental task today when historically it was the only reason people survived hardship.
What are you looking for me to tell you everything I’ve done and hope you think it’s enough? Pathetic. Kick rocks
Translation :
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Why? Because the alternative will lead to people watching their loved ones get hurt or die. People are used to a peaceful existence for the most part, and particularly in the US, food and medicine being regularly available.
If we have to shoot our way out, many will pay a grave cost. I’m not saying it’s not a potential outcome, and if it comes to that, it is what it is, but I don’t blame people for wanting to find any alternative that doesn’t involve the complete social collapse of a civilization.
Multilateral approaches to revolution are statistically way more successful. Meaning there have to be multiple factions but usually some use force or threat of force to back up the peaceful majority. Thems be the facts
Obviously a violent approach shouldn’t be chosen first or lightly or at all if possible—but that doesn’t mean people can’t and shouldn’t start taking steps to defend themselves from illegal violence from the ruling class.
People right now can learn how to operate, maintain and store firearms safely. People right now can form militias and community defense groups as a deterrence from the ruling class violence.
None of that have to mean performing acts of violence, but can help us have a stronger position to bargain in the future.
Because you voted your way into this
Technically people didn’t vote their way into this if we are to believe the second election was rigged… but that doesn’t matter now does it
it’s like you can jump out of lava
Unless you’re dead, you can at least try. Beats folding your arms and complaining that this jumping strategy pails in comparison with your superiour strategy of wishing really hard you could fly.
We need to go full Albania 🇦🇱 ✊🏼
You wouldn’t even have time to fold your arms before you were dead. Being able to jump into the lava doesn’t imply that jumping can save you from lava.
Well, you aren’t dead yet, aren’t you. Means that wasn’t that deadly of a lava, so maybe try to jump instead of trying to convince everyone around that we’re already burned to crisps, so no point to even try. We aren’t, not yet, that’s demonstrable by the fact that we’re still talking about it.
Are you being sarcastic?
I keep saying it, so maybe I should make a meme of it:
The key ingredient for data centers in the US is not an abundance of water and power, but cheap, bribeable regional officials.
“We need term limits” lol. Term limits mean politicians need to line their pockets even faster. Fucking Rome was famous for this shit.
What we really need to do is hold corrupt politicians and the businesses that are paying them accountable for 150% of the damages from their schemes. None of this “I took a 5 million dollar bribe and I got 6 months house arrest plus a 1500 dollar fine.”
It’s Corruption all the way up.
its a plus if they can get the governer to be bribed, which is what happened with whitmer and janet mills. they made sure those datacenters are approved.
Rich ppl are a threat to civilization and need to be significantly disempowered.
It’s time to take back our world
Head removal sounds like an appropriate debuff
Well, that’s because they create jobs.
Oh ,wait.
The last figure I saw for some Ohio data center was $15 million in tax breaks for 10 jobs. At this rate, give 10 random people in Ohio $1.5 million. That would help the economy much more.
I mean, we get lots of tax breaks, they’re just highly dependent on increasingly arcane rulesets that are ever-changing and still designed to keep you on the edge of poverty. And then they’re paid for with higher taxes in years following.
If you’re a “company” you get to offset money coming in with expenses and even in the most honest of systems only pay tax on the difference (i.e. the profits).
If you’re an “individual” you pay taxes on any money coming in and cannot offset it with expenses.
So even at the structural level the system is designed to be incredibly unfair. That shit you describe is just adding insult to injury.
Individuals can but only for the stuff they need to get their income.
If you’re a “company” you get to offset money coming in with expenses and even in the most honest of systems only pay tax on the difference (i.e. the profits).
Taxing profits instead of revenue is sensible though, otherwise businesses with low profit margins would be impossible to run. Groceries would be twice as expensive since the supermarket would have to increase their profit margin by a huge amount to not go bankrupt
That’s what the “Standard deductible” is on your taxes. Basically “this is what we think it costs to live here for a year, so this money doesn’t count towards your taxes.”
I think you replied to the wrong comment
Eh. In the same line. Close enough.
Hmm maybe this indicates that basic necessities of life should not be managed through the profit motive.
Why do they need a huge profit margin of profit is the money left over after they’ve paid their expenses? And why wouldn’t you want the same system for individuals?
Why do they need a huge profit margin of profit is the money left over after they’ve paid their expenses?
Because if they were taxed on revenue, not profit, they would have a higher tax burden than their profit and go bankrupt
And why wouldn’t you want the same system for individuals?
If you could deduct all your expenses from taxes the only ones paying taxes would be people saving up their money. I also didn’t say with a single word that I don’t want the same system for individuals, why are you arguing in bad faith and putting words in my mouth?
Thanks for the red, squiggly underline. I’m recovering from my fifth lobotomy this week, and it really aids comprehension.
Corporate socialism for me, not for thee!
Maybe tax breaks should have to be passed via referendum
Ohio is the upper Midwest Mississippi
Say what you want about Cleveland but they have an awesome newpaper.
We also have an awesome football team and the house from Christmas Story.
Used to maybe, but as I understand now tons of the articles are written by AI. The same garbage that these data centers are for.
People get lots of tax breaks. But tax breaks are helpful proportional to your tax debt.
A 10% tax reduction on $1000 is a pittance compared to $1M
Oh wow you just gave the definition of what percentage means. Thanks
Thanks Obama…
State government foregoing potential tax revenue to guarantee the purchasing of equipment from in-state suppliers. There is a logic to it.
Well, I’m sure the taxes from those in-state suppliers will make up the difference. /s
No DC I ever worked in bought from things made in the state…
Exactly, thus the tax exemption to change that behavior. Foregoing tax revenue you were never going to get to help local businesses.
Is this what is actually happening? Or is that just how you’d want for it to be done?
What else could possibly be happening?
You guys are talking about these like they’re subsidies. If I were to read just the comments I would be left with the impression that the government is paying to build the data center using tax payers money while letting the corporation keep all the resulting profits tax free.
Data centers don’t sell anything directly to consumer in order to collect taxes. Taxes are only applied to the end user.
This may be sales tax breaks for things purchased by the datacenter? no sales tax on millions of dollars of computing and cooling is a huge amount…
They get huge tax breaks on things property, excise, abatement incentives. Not sales like this post claimed
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2026/06/ohios-biggest-data-centers-secured-decades-of-tax-breaks.html
Amazon, Meta and Google all signed agreements between 2014 and 2018 that granted them 100% sales tax exemptions for up to 40 years on any facility built in Ohio if the companies invested a certain amount in the state.
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When you add them all up, Ohio has given up at least $2.3 billion in sales taxes, according to documents from the Ohio Department of Development that were shared with Cleveland.com.
And the last contract doesn’t expire until 2058.
Seems like they are though, huh
All equipment required to produce a final product, in this case data, are sales tax exempt in Ohio and most other states.
The purchaser doesn’t pay sales tax though. You pay sales tax when you “sell”
You’ve got it backwards. Sales tax is what the person purchasing the thing pays.
The end user pays the tax, no one in between, which includes the purchase of equipment used to manufacture a final product
Yea but it helps make sure the purchasing of said equipment goes to local suppliers. If they buy from out of state there is no revenue anyways, at least this benifits the local economy.
