• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    ITT: people who genuinely care about Bill Gates’ image and won’t stand for him being called a pedo.

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    Fucking coward. Being concerned that your family might have problems is not an excuse for associating with someone like that. You’re a big fucking boy bill, pull your britches up, accept you did an infidelity, and don’t associate with child sex traffickers.

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    Gates hired Jake Greenberg, who was the oversight panel’s chief investigative official until December, to help him prepare for the appearance, the New York Times reported on Tuesday. A committee spokesperson told Reuters the panel has not worked ​with Greenberg since his departure.

    How is this allowed

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      Why wouldn’t it be? The guy doesn’t work for them anymore. It’s like hiring a lawyer to help you in court.

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      Hey, so I spent the past few months preparing that big investigation into that one scandal of yours, but now that I’ve made a career change can I interest you in some interview prep?

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    Gates also testified that he never witnessed any criminal conduct from Epstein. He accused Epstein of blackmailing him over his extramarital affairs.

    Behold, Homo Billionaries

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    So we now have clear evidence this is what everybody with a brain thought it was. All that’s left is to apply that reasoning to the dog that hasn’t barked.

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    Gate claimed “visiting” Epstein was a big mistake. If he only visited, then he couldn’t be blackmailed. Blackmail means he was shagging underage girls and there’s evidence in the Epstein files.

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      Blackmail means he was shagging underage girls and there’s evidence in the Epstein files.

      I mean, it’s not fully guaranteed, Fact is shagging adult women is still a compromising event for a married billionaire, and Epstein didn’t EXCLUSIVELY traffic underage women.

      That isn’t a proof that gates didn’t shag underaged women, but currently the only thing we have evidence to point to is Epstein planning to blackmail him over spiking STD medications to his wife from a disease caught from “russian girls”.

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      Elstein was a paedophile and he enabled paedophiles, but that’s not all he was. What he was was a fixer. He wasn’t a “I can get you a 12 year-old by noon”, he was a “I can get you whatever you want (including 12 year-olds) by noon”

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        I think he was also a “I can get you an 18 year old escort” then afterwards use the fact they were actually 16 or 17 for blackmail.

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        Exactly. If what Gates wanted was a couple of 30 year old women who were dtf and a couple lines of coke with some mdma over a nice ocean view then Epstien could have that tomorrow and be asking yacht or island. But it comes with both all the privacy he could use to threaten with and an expectation that he can call in favors and connections too. And suddenly in exchange for being set up a man who pimps children has dirt on you, connections to you, and you owe him a bit.

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      Maybe I misread the article, but it seems they assisted gates with getting in touch with women to have an affair with. It has been said before he had affairs with Russian prostitutes so I imagine that’s what this is vs with children. Even Epstein would prefer to blackmail him with being a pedo, I bet he was happy enough to get such a powerful person blackmailed with anything.

      Another reason I believe it wasn’t pedophilia that gates was involved in is because he’d be lying to Congress about this, a felony. If they have evidence of gates lying, he’d still be known as a pedo, and ending up a criminal as well.

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        it seems they assisted gates with getting in touch with women to have an affair with

        That’s not clear. Another possiblity is the Epstein traded some of his compromat for the information he used to blackmail Gates.

        he’d be lying to Congress about this, a felony

        A felony that’s seldom and very selectively prosecuted.

        If they have evidence of gates lying, he’d still be known as a pedo, and ending up a criminal as well.

        He might be a more useful asset out of jail than in.

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        Even Epstein would prefer to blackmail him with being a pedo, I bet he was happy enough to get such a powerful person blackmailed with anything.

        I mean not necesserally, I do agree, we have no evidence, and Epstein certainly had his hands in enough crime, an affair alone would have been enough of a problem for a billionaire with a wife. That being said I’d also say… for Epstein to do blackmail using the underaged women seems… more complicated. IE how do you blackmail someone for a crime that you were also a part of. How do you follow through on that blackmail without also collapsing the rest of the operation.

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      We already knew that though.

      At this rate we will discover at some time in 2027 that Epstein is dead.

      They’re slow walking this. Classic Trump legal strategy.

      He’s not going to face justice. Its sickening that he’s lied, stolen, and raped kids and others his whole life and been promoted to King of the world as the result, but thats just how it is.

      At least after he’s dead he will become the distraction for who ever replaces him, so his legacy will be torn to shreds.

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      People are shitting on Gates and that’s appropriate and all, but the subtext here is really important. Epstein and his circle went after powerful people through blackmail and the influence extends really far. And there’s a person sitting at the head of the White House who’s name appears a fuckton of times in the Epstein files. The whole thing needs to be blown wide open and there’s obviously a lot of people in powerful positions who don’t want that to happen because things about them will get out.

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        Epstein was planted by Israel to control the most powerful in the US with blackmail of the abhorrent shit they did. They still have them all under their thumb from the info he gave them.

        Now Israel basically controls the US thanks to all this bullshit.

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          Well to be fair Israel was heavily embedded in the united states for far longer prior to Epstein, but it definitely adds a fuck ton of fuel to the flames

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          I had assumed he worked for us intelligence or maybe a coalition but seeing how beholden we are to Israeli interests this makes more sense.

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        Yesterday’s NYT expose of the Epstein panic in the White House last summer mentions that the name Mar-a-Lago appears in the Epstein files over 38,000 times.

        That’s a hell of a lot of orange smoke for a tiny little nothing-to-see-here fire.

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          There is nothing to indicate that Bill Gates isn’t telling the truth. Maybe not the whole truth. But no doubt Epsteins main business was to create compromats.

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              The best lies are rooted in truth

              The thing that stands out though is none of the women abused by Epstein ever mentioned Gates and he is a well known figure

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              Sorry that’s a fairly simple view of reality.

              People convince others of fallacies without lying all the time.

              You can absolutely tell the truth while presenting a fiction.

              The only question here, which we will likely never know, is the extent to which this testimony is an objective, balanced recount of the circumstances.

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        We already know the subtext though. That’s the thing the entire pizza gate saga was essentially a fake version of what’s been happening since at least the 1960s with Israeli intelligence.

        Epstein, like his many bosses and colleagues still operating, helped traffic children, matched powerful people with children (sometimes adults), all to ensure their absolute loyalty to whatever group is actually in charge of both the CIA and Israeli intelligence agencies.

        If you’re not with them, you’re against them, so they’ll either make sure you stay with them, or they’ll just kill you (JFK).

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          That’s the thing the entire pizza gate saga was essentially a fake version of what’s been happening since at least the 1960s with Israeli intelligence.

          It’s not unique to the Israelis.

          Also, it’d be really interesting to look more deeply into the origins of the Pizzagate allegations, to see if (as I suspect) the originators had Epstein links. It’s a common tactic to poison media coverage of a potential scandal by spreading a false but similar story that can be discounted, then conflating the now-dismissed fake story with the real one.

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            Qanon was a diversion to deflect the Trump Epstein network’s activities onto everyone else, particularly political opponents.

            The stories I’ve read of Donald Ewen Cameron blackmailing people in mk ultra are similar.

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                It’s a play on the “would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet” line from Romeo and Juliet.

                And it was done in a playful joking way because if we assume there actually is a group that controls entities like CIA and mossad, referring to them by name doesn’t tell us much, and I wouldn’t expect a random commenter to actually know their name, if they even have one to begin with. Like, such a group would be well hidden and well informed and quite powerful.

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            absolute loyalty to whatever group is actually in charge of both the CIA and Israeli intelligence agencies.

            I did address that. Or, in other words, the capital class which acts as a single distinct entity in most things, and uses tactics like this to ensure a lack of in-fighting.

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              So Jeffrey Epstein blackmailed politicians to ensure their absolute loyalty to the “capitalist class” which is also in charge of mossad and the cia? How do you explain the existence of other capitalist states whose politicians don’t diddle kids? Or do you think they all do it secretly?

              Don’t you think that a salary upwards of $10000/mo plus various lucrative side-hustles and job opportunities from lobbyism and political favors, paired with the never ending nationalist propaganda about how capitalism and liberal democracy are the ideal and most fair way to organize humanity, is enough to ensure these people’s loyalty?

              The vagueness of your “critique” of capitalism and your talk about a coordinated group of people pulling the strings of the rulers of society and secret services, intentionally or not, comes off kind of antisemitic and incoherent in my opinion. (And no, I am not a Zionist or in any way foster a single positive opinion about the existence of the state of israel.)

              Edit: I don’t disagree with anything that “Albbi”, the person you responded to, said in their comment though.

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                How do you explain the existence of other capitalist states whose politicians don’t diddle kids?

                Name a single one, I’ll give you an Epstein linked politician in it.

                Don’t you think that a salary upwards of $10000/mo plus various lucrative side-hustles and job opportunities from lobbyism and political favors, paired with the never ending nationalist propaganda about how capitalism and liberal democracy are the ideal and most fair way to organize humanity, is enough to ensure these people’s loyalty?

                I don’t think you’ve ever met anyone in business or politics. But specifically I was talking about people like Mamdani or Bernie, who essentially have no power and will never have any power that threatens capital. They will either eventually be approached, blackmailed, and forced to reverse course or killed if they ever gain actual traction.

                The vagueness of your “critique” of capitalism and your talk about a coordinated group of people pulling the strings of the rulers of society and secret services, intentionally or not, comes off kind of antisemitic and incoherent in my opinion. (And no, I am not a Zionist or in any way foster a single positive opinion about the existence of the state of israel.)

                If you believe anything I’ve said is antisemitic, you are unironically antisemitic.

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                  You’re the one making extraordinary allegations. The burden of proof is on you.

                  Anyway, your class-based analysis is over-generalized to the point of being useless, since it doesn’t address the reality of factionalism and internal competition within the owning class, and the likelihood that there are many overlapping mechanisms that enforce owning-class solidarity, pedo-blackmail being only one. And some of those mechanisms are non-coercive, more akin to alignment of interests than to blackmail or extortion.

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                  I don’t think a guy like Friedrich Merz or someone like Angela Merkel or Jaques Chirac or even Barrack Obama or whatever did politics in favor of capital because they were blackmailed by a shadowy cabal of global elites with proof of their heinous sex crimes. Doing politics in favor of capital simply comes with the territory of being the leader of a capitalist state. Many of these politicians also either are part of or grew up within the capitalist class and are simply serving their own material and ideological interests.

                  I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say about Bernie Sanders and Zohran Mamdani either, as if the people on the Epstein list were all socialist politicians that got a little too powerful and would have paved the way for workers rights and equality were it not for the evil global cabal that enticed them to diddle kids and then blackmailed them to do a 180 on their otherwise honest and humanitarian views.

                  I don’t think it really matters much for the existence of capitalism that some rich people like to spend their time raping people. If so and since you’re saying this has been happening since around the 60s, how do you explain the existence of capitalism before 1939? Before 1914? And even before that? Is it all built on mfers getting blackmailed for diddling kids or are there maybe other incentives for people in power to enable the unfethered accumulation of capital?

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    No testimony from Shill Gates is enough to make me respect him or Microslop ever again. May he forever have to cover his drinks at social gatherings if he isn’t shunned from society after all is said and done.

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      Ever again? You respected him or Microsoft at some point? Why?

      Little shit learned to code by reading other peoples code out of the trash then immediately tried to cut off sharing code. Fuck that guy.

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        Good to know. I only respected him cause I had no idea he was a pedophile, or a shit cheater of a coder, and because his foundation provided college scholarships.

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          I respected his wife. Melinda. Not perfect, but she effectively strong armed him into pouring billions into the Gates foundation.

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            Makes sense. She definitely wears the pants in the relationship.

            Can’t believe Bill the Shill tried to drug her drink with an HIV-prevention pill because he likely caught HIV from having sex with those children and didn’t bother telling her.