This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.
The killing has to stop, so we just let Putin off Scott-free so he can do it again, which he has done repeatedly. That idiocy is so pure that if you snort it you’ll die
That’s not a consequence, he’ll lose that anyway if he loses the war, which he is increasingly likely to do. You don’t care about the killing, you’re just preserving Russia and protecting it from real consequences while substantially weakening Europe’s ability to defend itself. You’re rewarding the behavior.
You don’t know whether Russia will lose. Russia has greater manpower which Putin doesn’t mind expending. In my plan, Europe would be strong since Ukraine would be part of the European Alliance.
What about Taiwan and Cuba? If Russia has basically no externally enforced consequences, China and the US will start looking at their backyards a little differently
This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.
Russia should dissolve
2022 invasion? So Russia keeps the land they stole in the 2014 invasion?
Yes. A peace plan must be something Putin is willing to accept. Otherwise, the killing will continue.
Why should Russia not be required to pay reparations?
That sounds… too forgiving given what they’ve done.
A proposal has to be offered that would entice Putin to accept. The killing has gone on too long. It has to stop.
The killing has to stop, so we just let Putin off Scott-free so he can do it again, which he has done repeatedly. That idiocy is so pure that if you snort it you’ll die
Putin would lose all the territory it seized in the 2022 invasion. The European Alliance would be a deterrence against future invasions.
Putin can stop the war any time he likes.
If there are no consequences for Russias actions, what would stop them from pulling back, rebuilding, and then attacking again?
Read my proposal. The European Alliance. There are consequences. He loses all the land he seized in the 2022 invasion.
That’s not a consequence, he’ll lose that anyway if he loses the war, which he is increasingly likely to do. You don’t care about the killing, you’re just preserving Russia and protecting it from real consequences while substantially weakening Europe’s ability to defend itself. You’re rewarding the behavior.
You don’t know whether Russia will lose. Russia has greater manpower which Putin doesn’t mind expending. In my plan, Europe would be strong since Ukraine would be part of the European Alliance.
Nope, that’s being too nice to Russia. They definitely need to pay massive reparations to Ukraine.
Putin won’t agree to reparations. A proposal has to be offered that Putin could accept.
It’s not just about Putin. It’s also about the precedent you create by letting Russia go Scot-free.
What’s going to stop him from rebuilding his army and doing it again if there are no consequences? What message does it convey to other bad actors?
We don’t force enough bad actors to pay reparations. And war criminals get off scot free as long as they’re from a certain set of nations.
I also agree 100%, and this post is not meant to be a whataboutism. Just because some criminals get away with it doesn’t mean others should.
That precedent has already been set decades ago, unfortunately. We do need to address that one too, but that is going to be a much harder challenge.
But in the meantime, let’s not set any new ones. The world is in a poor enough state as it is.
There are consequences. He loses all the land he took in the 2022 invasion. The European Alliance will stop future invasions.
What about Taiwan and Cuba? If Russia has basically no externally enforced consequences, China and the US will start looking at their backyards a little differently