Too late assholes… I’m already deleting most of the posts I made on my discord and I will be migrating elsewhere soon.
wreaks of “fuck you got mine”… so an invasive AI scan has scanned your content and deemed you 18+… gross… but at least you don’t have to upload ID (to a company that literally just had a major breach of their ID data)
but
now a new user joins. they don’t have that history of interaction, so what are they meant to do? either upload ID or not be part of their community
My best guess is new accounts will be autolocked to ‘teen mode’ and you will have to upload ID if you want to unlock it
I was working as a support agent on Epic Games when they decided to limit everyone underage on certain functions on Fortnite. They now ask for your birthday when you open the game and if you are underage (the age varies by country) it will lock your account until you can prove you are an adult (using a 3rd party service)
They aren’t walking back anything. They just repeated their claim, that “most people won’t even have to give their IDs, because our AI will read all your messages and decide if you’re 18”
because our AI will read all your messages and decide if you’re 18
What the fuck that’s even worse
I read thay Youtube is doing that with watch history so teens are watching videos about taxes, back pain, retirement benefits and such to appear old.
I deleted my account already.
Until they walk back the walkback.
Incremental rollouts has a successful track record :<
People need to realize that this isn’t JUST a Discord issue. This is a policy issue AS WELL. Fucking pay attention to the politics around you. And this isn’t just a United States issue as well.
this is true… its not just Discord… politics are pushing hard on tech… like Facebook, Google, well everything basically… They want to push age verification everywhere.
Its really dangerous, and I will never comply (even though I have nothing to hide). I already deleted my discord. I will not join back anymore. Its too late already.
Each chat, social network or anything that is trying to implement this -> ACCOUNT DELETED.
Edit: Discord’s preparation to go public with an IPO… So go away from discord now.
What I’m saying isn’t that you should or shouldn’t delete social media accounts. What I’m saying is that eventually they’re all going to HAVE to do it to be able to operate within certain countries. The account deletion/boycott/etc isn’t enough, you have to go after the political leaders that are FORCING companies into these deals cause governments are GOING to continue to go after companies to force the whole of the internet into surveilling users. Policy and laws need to be changed. The work HAS to be done.
I just host my own open source instances. Like matrix for chat. And mbin for the fediverse. This is how I now communicate with you.
No age verification. Mbin will never implement it either. And matrix won’t either. Otherwise I will fork matrix also.
Good for you, honestly. But not the point I’m trying to make at all.
They don’t actually care about age verification, they just want the personal information.
100% accurate.
This became incredibly obvious to me several months ago. I was trying to buy vape parts (coils and tanks, no liquids or batteries or anything) and the site wanted me to do a 3-D selfie to verify my age.
First of all, absolfuckinglutely not. Second of all, metal and plastic aren’t controlled substances so there’s no reason I even should have been carded, much less asked for 3-D face scan shit… so yeah it wasn’t FOR anything other than data mining.
ahem… politics is NOT pushing on tech…
tech is pushing and telling politics what to do. tech controls politics now
I’m just going to repeat myself for the hundredth time here. This is exactly what happens when you define words in such broad terms. Social media does not include things like discord. It doesn’t include Reddit, it doesn’t include Lemmy. But because so many damn people just refer to any site that they can talk with other people on as social media, it became enshrined in law and now literally every service you touch is legally defined as social media.
This is not hyperbole; with the current definitions across numerous countries, Amazon (the place where you buy things, not other services like games) is legally defined as social media.
Words mean things and when words are hijacked for other purposes it allows governments to strip away your rights without you realizing.
Okay, I’m gonna ask: why is reddit not social media?
It’s a forum. Just like all the other forums before it. It just happened to get very popular. To be clearer: if you define Reddit as social media then you are including almost every single website on the planet. It makes the definition completely pointless.
Regulations shouldn’t be defined in this way.
I vote for this guy for president.
I grew up with certain words meaning certain things. Then I get older, and suddenly, those words are gone, new words exist, old words mean new things, medical terms are now no longer medical terms and just purely an insult derived from a definition that didn’t used to define the root word. Pluto isn’t a planet. Instead of 9 planets, there are now an unknown number at least in the thousands. There’s like 4 other Earths.
Language shouldn’t change over time. It can adapt, but I should know that grass is green. Not grass is plubertatude. A word I just made up for the demonstration of absurdity. Nothing wrong with grass being green.
why downvote this comment?
I disagree. By definition social media is “new media technology that facitilates the creation, sharing and aggregation of content amongst virtual communities and networks” so Reddit and Lemmy are social networks.
There are several subkinds of social networks some are worse for kids (and adults) than others. Most sites in the internet don’t allow users to create and share content, online newspaper only may allow users to comment but the content comes from “journalists” and collaborators.
Discord is used like a forum though, with chat capabilities but it’s social at it’s core.
And by that definition you include every website on the planet. Your blog, the comment section of your local news, etc.
Just because you think that news sites comment sections aren’t included doesn’t mean that definition doesn’t include it, cause it does. That applies to that entire definition.
No it doesn’t. It’s in plural. A blog is a single person creating and sharing, others may comment but that’s it. It’s a single person (well it can be many authors but that’s covered in the newspaper example), that’s why I used newspaper sites, they don’t facilitate the creation, sharing and aggregation of content amongst virtual communities and network.
Reddit, facebook, instagram, tiktok, lemmy allows people to create communities, content and sharing. A blog allows ONE person to publish stuff, rarely it builds a community but it can happen, so can happen if you manage to read my diary with a bunch of strangers.
The definition you quoted comes from a 2010 business paper that literally states that it includes blogs. So yes, it does, because that’s where all these business and political morons got the definition.
If you create a website, then you are sharing content. And if people read that content then you have created a network. That’s the “definition” according to the government.
But that’s not what social media ever meant. Honestly I’m not going to argue this again, if you really want to see the true nexus of what social media was and is you can read my previous comments on the matter. I’m sure you can find them in my profile.
Suffice to say, social media is an incredibly narrow subset of social networks and the internet isn’t a social network though it is a “network where people are social”.
Never really used discord in the first place. I tried to join a few support threads for random gizmos that had no forums but realized that its a terrible place for support compared to forums. The whole UI was just chaotic to me as well.
I find it impossible to use for anything that involves historical / old information.
It’s all live chat it seems, so if someone asked a question on how to do X within Y 8 months ago and that’s what you are trying to find the answer to as well, it’s practically impossible to find so you have to ask it again and hope someone is around with the answer.
It’s a place that’s only useful for live discussions on recent topics, which is quite limited in use.
downvotted for saying the truth, every software community should be OFF discord and setup a forum
It is bizarre how they all fled reddit when they got greedy, so ran off and set up on Discord instead. So now you get a procession of users with the same 4 questions over and over.
Bro it might even be worse because they gotta watch your every move to implement this shit. I’m moving to fluxer.appI’ve not seen anyone mention fluxer before, have you been using it long, is it as good as their website claims? Seems strange no one else has mentioned it in many of the discord replacement threads going around if its as good as the website makes it sound.
Its amazing bro for real, if you want you can join our community and see how good that is with your own eyes
I’m afraid Fluxer might snap and turn money chasers too. Buy until they do, I might try it.
There is also GameVox
I think their business model is sustainable without massive privacy breaches like discord did in order to satisfy the investors. Its nice because its a really indipendent service that’s also planning to add the ability for everyone to host their own decentraluized servers
Do you want to join the community i am building with a friend? Its a community about the fediverse
They were watching already… Feeding it through an AI changes nearly nothing…
So they haven’t walked anything back, they’re just adding in a motherfucking clanker as a middleman. What could go wrong?
Big corporations have absolutely laid waste to the internet. There’s nothing left unspoiled at this point.
hold up.
so y’all took the two hottest takes in online culture right now and decided to do both of them?
what the actual fuck is wrong with people these days. it’s almost like everyone in silicon valley is fucking delusional.
so we’re going to invade your right to privacy and scan your identity then sell it to 3rd parties. oh, that’s not acceptable? well I guess we could have AI profile you and then we still sell your identity to 3rd parties. fuck me you say? shockedpikachu.jpg
This is misleading. Discord is not reversing course. It was in their original announcement that they would try to automatically determine everyone’s age and “most” people won’t need to do any sort of verification. A lot of people and journalists didn’t read that far apparently.
Yes, they aren’t changing course, but Discord certainly did not say “most” in the announcement and it was a single sentence in a long article about age verification and content gating. They should have been far more upfront about their inference method being the primary one in the first place. This was a communication issue and not a reader issue.
It’s also possible they decided to tune their inference model to be a lot more, let’s say, permissive so that there isn’t a huge backlash of people getting asked to provide ID when they’ve been using the service for nearly a decade or longer.
They still have the AI shit that looks at your posts to try and determine if you are an adult.
Fuck that.
Like everything else everyone has ever posted outside the fediverse?
There’s shitloads of AIs reading the fediverse, too. Absolutely doing the same infomining as the discord age bot - but it’s not the moderators doing it, at least.
nods I suspected as much.
Never seen any search results through :)
They had it way before they announced, apparently. Because I ate a ban for apparently saying I’m 9 somewhere (I don’t actually remember posting that, I suspect a certain someone got to my account to get me banned).
DIscord: GUYs! You’ll NEVER BELIEVE THIS!!! Instead of invasively reading out every one of your personal identifications and selling the data on your likes/dislikes, we can ACTUALLY just use an AI to tell if you’re a child by how your interact with people!!!
Us: Maybe you could have the AI just stop the stalkers.
Discord:
They haven’t though.
They’ve just restated the exact same thing but then added on hollow empty promises of “this time we’ll be better, I swear!”
So they’re going to scan everything you do with AI to figure out how old you are instead. Not really better.
The cat has been let out of the bag. I’m still moving somewhere else once I figured out where with friends.
The company’s deploying AI-powered inference to estimate user ages based on behavioral patterns, account history, and other signals already in its systems. Only when that automated prediction fails or flags uncertainty will users face requests for manual verification through ID uploads or facial scanning.
Oh, so it’s even easier to game it and pretend to be “an adult”. Simply avoid any minecraft and roblox communities to be an instant adult.
Discord didn’t specify exactly what percentage constitutes a “vast majority,” nor did it detail which signals feed into its age prediction models. That lack of transparency could become its own issue as regulators increasingly scrutinize how platforms handle youth safety versus privacy rights.
Big brother is watching you masturbate, for your own good, of course.
For the subset of users who do get flagged for manual verification, Discord says it’s partnering with third-party services that specialize in age verification tech. These vendors typically process ID documents or facial scans without permanently storing biometric data, though implementation details remain vague.
It’s not permanent storage if they delete after safely selling to interested buys!
As lawmakers ramp up age verification requirements globally, expect more platforms to walk this tightrope between compliance and community trust.
I wonder if this is what might actually push more people into “host your own shit” that’s easy to shut down and migrate as needed.
They will never delete it anyway. They might park it in a different spot, sell it as well, then delete where they originally stored it. The new spot they part it might even have a degree of separation or so from the company. But they never delete information, don’t ever trust they do.
