Weird that AIPAC isn’t mentioned at all in the comments.
You’ve mentioned it now. ✅
Now go on and make a point.
This is why getting a third party Going and Voted is important.
Ain’t gonna work. That’ll just split whichever side of the FPTP duopoly you hate less and the ones you hate more will win. Don’t do it.
For any of that to be plausible you need to change the voting system first.
The sad truth is that the only viable option is to slowly turn the massive ship in primaries and local elections and eventually that’ll bubble to the top.
And to change the voting system, you need to have more than two effective parties so that the legal arguments and damages can be demonstrated in practice. They ain’t gonna change it for “wannabe voting” / “unrealised votes”, not unless heads start literally rolling. So it’s one of the two.
It is. Multi party properly representative democracy is obviously desirable. There is just no clear path from here to there since FPTP makes it impossible and whoever wins in FPTP doesn’t want to change it.
I guess you can try revolution. Good luck. I’ll be cheering you on from an ocean away.
Democratic socialista need to change their name to the labor party and start championing Bernie’s message of the past 40 years. Appealing to people on the right and left
This is exactly the scenario that the Democratic party is working so hard to quash.
Is not that they don’t know.
All of them know.
The moderate Democrat politicians know they are a doormat for the corporate donor class. They refuse to enact meaningful change because then they lose their corporate donor money (and they’d have to do real work.)
MAGA politicians know they are betraying America to be a doormat for Donald Trump. They refuse to stand up to him because then they lose their billionaire donor money/Trump pardon protection (and they’d have to grow a conscience).
Our government has been captured by dejected cynics and sadistic sociopaths who only work for and represent people with a lot of money.
This is by design. A country for the rich by the rich from the start. And people have the gall to act surprised at the corruption that was their from the start. Our first President was set to become the world’s first billionaire adjusted for inflation. If he had not died so young he would have.
Whoa… Big news. They’re determined about something.
As a European trying to work out the policy differences between Republicans and Democrats, they don’t seem to be significant. Mainly how elements are interpreted /expressed during campaigns or counter campaigns.
Question for our American cousins: Is this because it’s (overall) what the US population wants to buy into with votes or would a less Ultracapitalism stance not have enough interest?
If a less capitalist party magically appeared with the capital to compete it would sweep the democrats and republicans out of office. The economic grind for no apparent gain is consistently one of the top issues in elections. It just turns out that 100 million dollars of ads can absolutely convince people that this year the politicians will actually help them.
It is incredibly difficult if not impossible to start a new party. You need grassroots campaigns in every state and district just to even get on the ballot. It’s intentionally hard to form a new party because the constitution was designed in such a way to discourage group think and parties.
I see them as CDU vs AfD or PP vs Vox.
Some context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
voters determined to make both sides the same and never do a damn thing
Both sides are the same. Democrats have taken up Republican’s bullshit rhetoric about boarder security, they vote with republicans to fund ICE, to continue to fund a genocide, are OK with the illegal war in Iran, and the invasion of Venezuela.
Bro they’re the same fucking party.
Show me where Democrats supported ANY of those things on your list, THEN you can say both sides are the same. But they aren’t because Dems opposed every single one of those things, with the possible exception of some Corporate Establishment Democrats supporting Israel Gaza Genocide.
ICE is STILL unfunded because Dems (and some MAGAs) have voted against it every time, and not a single Dem has supported the AmerIsraeli War® or the invasion of Venezuela. They don’t support the future invasion of Cuba, either.
Fetterman is the primary DINO, and he does not represent the party.
The Ds prove their ridiculous incompetence right in front of you, and still you blame the voters.
Are you Maxine Waters?
I can’t believe people forget we have an electoral college. They have overturned the popular vote multiple times.
What does that have to do with the 2024 election? Trump won the popular vote, too
No he didnt. They cheated, and we all know it. The idea that MAGA won 2024 “fair & square” is as much a Democratic hoax as Biden stole the 2020 election is a MAGA hoax.
No, I don’t believe he won the popular vote in 2016. Beyond that, genuinely who knows.
Did you have a stroke? What’s this have to do with 2024?
What failure? They’ve done their job perfectly as controlled opposition. The real failure is people expecting anything else from them.
I’m tired of having the same discussion over and over again with neo-liberals that they aren’t anywhere near left and their mandates of “less harm” or “lesser of two evils” doesn’t work anymore. So they have no actual platform or real plans for anything substantial that would be secured. Letting things float on in good faith.
Preach. I’m pretty far left and I am constantly being spammed for money by Dem fundraising. I tell them they can pry it out of my cold dead fingers, or they can come up with a platform better than, “well at least we aren’t trump.”
Lesser of two evils is just for general elections where you only have two choices and you need to slow the rise of fascism.
Progressives need to get on with primarying the fuck out of establishment Democrats. When you have a progressive running against a fascist in the general, polls have shown that the progressive ideas will win…if the voters are focused on policy rather than succumbing to emotional manipulation.
MAGAs always want to make every election about what people want to do with their own genitals. And Dems usually go along with it.
They’ve already started talking about James Talarico’s genitals. They are fascinated by them.
The death of Neoliberalism
, ironically Neoliberalism has killed itself by being too successful, it has never been easier for people with a lot of money to move their fortune and businesses elsewhere.
So certain people and companies become nigh untaxable and impossible to regulate, now if it was a case that these people just furthered themselves and their business that would be one thing.
But they don’t have interesting ideas about race, or “the woke”, or climate change, or a whole host of unpleasantness so they use the power they have to further their petty aims. and narcissistic tendencies.
And now the dam is broken with Musk and Trump shattering all norms, who exactly is going to tell them no in the future?
Who can tell them no?
Whatever is behind Samuel L. Jackson (seat cushions?) looks like a pack of hotdogs.
Diner seat cushions, but now they will forever be hotdogs.
And what are packages of little hotdogs like? They’re cool.
One thing that really sucks about today’s world is that everything seems too big to fail.
Shitty car dealers? Sorry can’t remove them. Shitty banks? Sorry too powerful. Shitty cable? Sorry it’s the only option. Shitty cellular? Sorry only service. Shitty political party? Sorry other option is worse.
Capitalism has a way of squeezing everything into a few hands where we are basically fucked once it reaches the end stage.
The problem is that during the run up you seem to get better service / value as it’s fighting for the top spot, but once there you are totally fucked.
The problem is that during the run up you seem to get better service / value as it’s fighting for the top spot, but once there you are totally fucked.
This is the essence of enshittification
So they’re the perfect depiction of Americans.
Fucking retards dragging the whole planet down the shitter. All of you.
In my long study of history there is always a tipping point. 1789, 1840, 1905, 1917 - people just took power back, or made a serious effort to do the same. Not that it was perfect either. The history of humanity is one of struggle against the elites.
In the case of the US, corporations being recognised as actual living, breathing human beings only made revolution a certainty. The only question is when? I’m an old fart, so I hopefully won’t be around to see the inevitable chaos.
There have only been a few places in history where the people actually took back control temporarily with Haiti being one of them. Of course now they have one of the most extreme wealth gaps around.
If the history of the world has been a struggle against the ruling class, that struggle has amounted to a wet fart.
I don’t know about that? France, the United States, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Philippines, Nicolae Ceaușescu in Romania, the fall of the Romanovs in Russia were all a thing.
Besides which, I think that you are missing my point. Success isn’t guaranteed in Revolution, that’s why I included 1905. I was talking about tipping points that lead to revolution. What happens next can go either way.
The wet fart bit is that you just used Hati to disprove a point that I never made in the first place.
Sorry, I am not counting revolutions that amounted to trading one aristocracy for another.
I never said you made that point, I was just talking. I simply don’t believe your revolutions were that revolutionary. I gave an example of a truly revolutionary movement that has amounted to one of the largest wealth gaps in the world.
This is teaching us a bigger lesson, one that so many glaze over.
I take that point. I also make the point that at the beginning of most revolutions the outcome is unknown. Entrenchment of a new regime can only be understood once the outcome has been decided. To make your argument you are permitted to accept or discount revolutions according to your whim.
My entire point was about historical tipping points. In this very simple concept I have been misunderstood. One person accused me of encouraging revolt. You seem to think that my argument doesn’t work because a great many revolutions fail. You are right. A great many do. But I’m not advocating for revolts nor suggesting that they always work. I’m saying that when conditions reach a certain point, they are almost inevitable. Not always even then. North Korea is a case in point.
I’m an old fart, so I hopefully won’t be around to see the inevitable chaos.
If you’ve got no stake in this and nothing to lose, you probably shouldn’t be giving advice.
I’ve got no advice to give. Just making a historical observation.
Over time patterns in human societies emerge. Pointing them out doesn’t constitute advice, nor the promotion of events. Sadly, we can be prisoners of those events, mostly events that are beyond any individual’s control.
Spotting smoke on a far distant ridgeline doesn’t cause the fire that comes roaring down towards your house.
Democrats win by failing. For their corporate bankrollers.
Like a boxer getting paid to throw a match?
Exactly like that, except the paying is a few steps removed so it “doesn’t count as bribery”
You have a party that is desperate to go back to a past utopia that never existed and another that is determined to maintain a status quo that absolutely failed.
At this point I assume more malicious intent than incompetence.
Oh. Great.
