Ha. Just don’t pay them. They are not moving violations from the police, they are pictures from a private company asking you to pay. I know you will think I’m crazy, but I did (or didn’t) for many years, and wouldn’t you know it, they were deemed illegal and all tickets void.
Also, very few for speeding. Majority was “not coming to a complete stop for 3 seconds before turning right on red.” so, driving the fucking speed limit isn’t the issue.
Of course, the other user is just pointing out that many people who don’t care about speeding also know that the fines these cameras send out usually don’t have any legal bearing and don’t care to pay them.
So depending on how fast the flow of traffic is going, the person going the speed limit is the one creating the dangerous situation. If everyone else is driving sixty in a thirty and you’re driving thirty, you’re the one that’s going to cause a wreck. In many jurisdictions keeping with the flow of traffic actually supersedes posted speed limits.
It’s backed up by all available data so whether or not it makes sense to you it’s the truth and the reality. Keeping up with the flow of traffic is always safer.
If you get a ticket in a prima facie state, the law allows you to argue in court that your speed was reasonable and prudent given the conditions. If you can prove that driving the exact speed limit would have caused a hazard, such as cars dangerously swerving around you, a judge may well dismiss the ticket because your behavior was safer than following the literal rule.
Ha. Just don’t pay them. They are not moving violations from the police, they are pictures from a private company asking you to pay. I know you will think I’m crazy, but I did (or didn’t) for many years, and wouldn’t you know it, they were deemed illegal and all tickets void.
Or… and this is gonna sound fucking lunatic, how about just go the fucking speed limit.
Or… Keep up with the person in front of you, as to not cause a slow down.
Also, very few for speeding. Majority was “not coming to a complete stop for 3 seconds before turning right on red.” so, driving the fucking speed limit isn’t the issue.
Of course, the other user is just pointing out that many people who don’t care about speeding also know that the fines these cameras send out usually don’t have any legal bearing and don’t care to pay them.
So depending on how fast the flow of traffic is going, the person going the speed limit is the one creating the dangerous situation. If everyone else is driving sixty in a thirty and you’re driving thirty, you’re the one that’s going to cause a wreck. In many jurisdictions keeping with the flow of traffic actually supersedes posted speed limits.
This is beyond stupid.
It’s backed up by all available data so whether or not it makes sense to you it’s the truth and the reality. Keeping up with the flow of traffic is always safer.
Because then you’re probably going 10mph slower than traffic?
Let me break the law because everyone else is. See if that holds up in court.
If you get a ticket in a prima facie state, the law allows you to argue in court that your speed was reasonable and prudent given the conditions. If you can prove that driving the exact speed limit would have caused a hazard, such as cars dangerously swerving around you, a judge may well dismiss the ticket because your behavior was safer than following the literal rule.
It won’t, but in the US it’s best to drive smoothly and safely with the flow of traffic. In most places that is over the legal speed limit.
It’s like a school of fish where one gets picked off by a radar speed trap as a sacrifice to the group to keep on swimming as-is.