• Ech@lemmy.ca
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    5 months ago

    100% arbitrary

    Sure, if you ignore the expansive history of humans’ measurement of time and the cultural impacts on it. That’s just looking for reasons to be a dismissive ass, though.

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    5 months ago

    The point isn’t arbitrary. It’s the winter solstice. It just drifted a bit due to history and stuff.

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      5 months ago

      I was going to point out that if it isn’t, in fact, the winter solstice, then it is arbitrary.

      But I decided to start the new year without the pretentiousness and pedantic proclamations

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        5 months ago

        if it isn’t, in fact, the winter solstice, then it is arbitrary.

        That’s not true though. The date is significant and not arbitrary, it’s just not the winter solstice (anymore).

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          5 months ago

          Actually, there is no such thing as a ‘winter solstice.’ The start of the Northern winter is the start of the Southern summer.

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            5 months ago

            Sure. But none of that makes New Years Day arbitrary by virtue of it not being, in fact, the winter solstice.

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              5 months ago

              If you use the equinoxes or the solstices you’re still being arbitrary because there are two of each.

              January 4 is the day of the year that the Earth is closest to the Sun [perihelion] That would be a good date, but there will be those who argue for stating the year when Earth is furthest away.

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                5 months ago

                Okay, but why would that mean that New Years Day not being the winter solstice makes it arbitrary to celebrate on Jan 1?

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                  It’s arbitrary because there’s no moment that is the obvious beginning of the cycle.

                  That’s the very definition of ‘arbitrary’