The political right hates AI a little less than the left, but not by super much, and some forces from the emerging America First movement are getting ready to protest AI’s invasiveness and capacity for manipulation. The org is called Humans First, and they’re trying to have a 50501-style nationwide protest about it on July 18th. If both sides cooperate on this one, good things can actually happen, so this should get talked about. A lot. https://www.humansfirst.com/
Man, even when they’re doing something good, they still have to frame it as “I come first!”
Conservatives categorically lack the brain capacity to consider others, never mind put them first.
Seems more like a lack of empathy than brain capacity. Moral and intellectual defects are not the same.
Actually there’s a fair amount of emerging neuroscience that shows that the brains of people with conservatives worldviews have lowered activity in the regions that process empathy, lowered activity in the regions that engage and resolve conflicts , and biased towards feeling threatened in a safe situation.
they have a higher fear center.
Of course moral reasoning shows up in a brain scan if materialism is true. The important point was about something a person is responsible for versus not.
thier protests will likely fail, because its more about themselves than the greater good of a group.
We do though. The entire lexicon of racism is ripe to be repurposed for shit-talking AI, because clankers literally aren’t people and they actually do make society worse. For the first time in human history, there is something out there that it is morally correct to be bigoted at. I think the slogan also carries the subtle implication that the people behind AI aren’t totally human too, which is great. Fuck clankers.
Sure, but “clankers” aren’t a thing. AI isn’t sentient, the humans creating and pushing AI are. They’re our real enemies. Being angry at “clankers” is like seeing a guy coming at you with a knife and punching the knife.
I thought “clankers” were the people using the slop machines.
“Sloppers” is also a good word for them.
Ah, in that case we’re on the same page. I thought “clankers” was a term people were using to “put down” AI clients themselves, as if they had the ability to feel bad. Still, though, it means that the “humans first” idea breaks down, because it’s still just humans vs other humans.
I think you were right about clankers referring to the AI. It’s clear in the root comment that’s what they mean when they say “they literally aren’t people”. Also, it is common slang for robots in various media including, I think, Star Wars.
Isn’t it also slang for people who fuck robots?
I guess it might be used both ways? Which is silly, the chatbots aren’t going to get their feelings hurt by name calling.
Yeah, that’s why I always thought it was a strange term. I like the term “sloppers” to refer to the people using AI, though. Makes more sense to me.
So it’s settled, Sloppers on one side, Neo-Luddites on the other.
I personally believe that sometimes to get a message across you have to leave morality behind to appeal to the base who is recieving the message.
I know its bad if I call elon musk a “retard”, or if I embrace racisim when I use words like clanker.
But one of the biggest lessons I think we all missed is that during the alt right pipeline around like 2012 was created by embracing the energy of edgy kids. Those kids are adults now and the ones who still are living in gamer gate culture war bs. Those are the people who get pysoped into believing in whatever trump says because they’re just tapping into emotions they got trained to get rage baited by when they where 15, and learned all the shitty talking points that they Still repeat 20 years later.
I’m going to say its bad praxis to try to educate someone when instead we should be taking the low hanging fruit and just dunking on them as if we are going back to the age when we called things “gay.” We have for force a cultural normity of bullying people for trying to say dumb racist things, as apposed to this momish/teacher lecture that we can’t help ourselves from doing. I’m doing it right now.
Embracing terms like clanker and just straight up bullying ai defenders is good praxis IMO.
…And yes I understand local Ai is different and kind of cool, but you have to understand you are like 1% of the people who even use Ai. When the world as a whole says “Ai” they are thinking of the corperate giants who run LLMs like claude or chatgpt. If the term Ai has to get hijacked and turned into this vauge watered down word that refers to LLMs, then Ai as a whole has to get smeared and you have to accept the fact we are rarely ever talking about you. Running a local Ai model is probably infinitely less problematic, and if there was some socialist automation revolution it would come from someone like you using local Ai models.
Sure. Does the use of a word cause harm? Okay, bad word to use.
Does the use of a word alleviate harm? Great word.
its thier " the only moral abortion is my abortion" type of behaviour