If all things were the same, but it was men who fell pregnant and gave birth, abortion clinics would be so standard they’d be on every corner, like McDonald’s. In fact, it’d be a sign of status to go to one.
Male 1: “I’m just off to the abortion clinic real quick.”
Male 2: “Oh nice, King. You’ve been busy.”
Male 1 leaves.
Male 3: “He’s so cool.”
In year 2000 poll, percentage of pro-choice people was 49% among both men and women. In 2006 it was 51% for both. Since 1995 and until 2020, the difference never exceeded 8%, peaking at 20% in 2025 correlating with political polarisation, with year 2010 men responding more pro-choice than women respondents by 5% (47% vs. 42%)‡.
Partisan divide was always more influential than the gender one, with pro-choice stance being 47% less popular among republican women than among democratic women; 42% gap for R/D men in 2020–2021 poll‡. If cisgender men could give birth, it wouldn’t have more influence on their abortion stance than overall political beliefs.
‡ Gender Gaps on Abortion Reach Historic Highs | Gallup, June 2025
Working people of all genders are not getting paid enough.
This is 100% true and factual.
If males were going pregnant they’d be females
What is up with Lemmy, men and pregnancy??
Did I miss the new meta?Someone is running a propaganda campaign, most likely. Shaping hearts and minds.
idiots tend to propagate stupid ideas because it makes them feel smart.
it’s not like this ‘if men got pregnant’ line of thinking is anything new, it’s been around since forever.
I was thinking the same thing. First something about moths(I don’t really get what that was about), then Loss, now this. What’s next?
Luigi board? /j
If males gave birth then it would be females that competed for access to us and became physically stronger than males. The only thing that would change is the name of the physically and politically powerful gender.
It wouldn’t make society better. Hyenas have bigger stronger dominant females and they have no utopia. Seahorse males give birth, they are the more maternal, females cheat on them.
Only fundamental difference between male and female is size and motility of sex cells. Only reason animals like us vary in size and strength is due to difference in offspring investment strategies.
if both sexes were hermaphroditic, then there would be less conflict as in other animals whom posesses both sexes gonads.
Cool angle, but it breaks down biologically.
Obviously 🤣
If all things were the same, but it was men who fell pregnant and gave birth, well then all things but the one would be the same. Because it clearly says that all things, besides the one, would be the same.
True.
We would just have hysterectomies. Why the fuck would we want such a disadvantage?
Believe it or not, there are some men who want kids.
The post did not state that men no longer had penises and were incapable of inseminating others.
Is it a hostility to some essential concept of women, or a way to devalue reproduction caring and domestic labor? Which force is stronger, more original?
Sexism is the strongest of all oppression. It is the most common, widespread, and ignored of all oppression and causes a huge amount of human suffering.
When women are dehumanized it usually relies on the prejudices that have been developed and reinforced through culture. So I think the essential concept is the driving force.
The devaluing of domestic labor is a side effect of a class of people without rights viewed as property.
Most likely. Let’s make it happen!
No, but they (we) would be more careful about contraception.
https://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm – ANYTHING less is denying the personhood of anyone that can get pregnant.
If all things were the same, but it was men who fell pregnant and gave birth, all things would be different.
Shame women don’t have the same drive and ingenuity
That wasn’t my point. My point was that the world is run by men. Policymakers and politicians are, in general, men. And since abortion is about giving women freedom over their bodies and life decisions, (most) men don’t allow that. Therefore there’s a very unfair disconnect. My point was that if men were the target of anti-abortion policies, then such policies would by and large not exist.
ETA: As another commenter pointed out, perhaps statistically most men are pro-choice, but unfortunately in general the backwards few who go into and succeed in politics are the ones who make the call.
Did you know grey hyenas have a matriarchal society? Females are more aggressive, dominant and hold different social status to males. They aren’t less horrible than patriarchal hyenas.
The problem isn’t the males or the females. It’s that they’re hyenas.
And they give birth through a pseudo penis that is torn apart.
I don’t think it brings anything useful to the conversation, but it is an interesting fact.
This conversation is now about hyenas.
You’re way behind. That’s why laws approved are no longer named after what they really do. Who decides that a specific law harms a specific population? The same people approving them… So… Yeah.
What? No. Laws are never named after what they do, they’re named HR#### or something. Acts are nicknamed, like Obamacare or the PATRIOT act, but they’ve always been political and not descriptive.
And the people who write the laws are not the same people who “approve” them, in theory.
Yeah but If you want empirical & objective quantification of harm, good luck.
Are you a hyena?
Are you not?
I don’t see hyenas oppressing one another through systems of well orchestrated indoctrination. They may just nibble each other once in a while.
You’d be surprised of how complex and rich hyena society is.
Well they do hate immigrants , so I wouldn’t be so quick to assume.
If men gave birth, then nothing else would be the same.
The systems of oppression that exist were created for a reason. Evil reasons, but reasons none the less. It’s not random.
There is a reason hunter/gatherer societies tend to be more egalitarian, and agricultural societies tend to be less egalitarian, and it isn’t because farming turns people evil and misogynistic.
Furthermore, abortion was largely accepted until increased birthrates were required for the needs of empire. Despite the arguments being religious in nature against abortion, the original drivers for outlawing it were non-religous.
