Not sure who called it “Netanyahu’s wars”, but I hope Mamdani has more sense than that. We can’t allow for Netanyahu to become the fall guy for what is a genocidal ethnic supremacist state, and just pretend that it will all be better when some former terrorist becomes PM.
I’m starting to really like this guy
He’s not wrong
AIPAC will keep trying under different pacs now. But they are awful what rebranding they use.
Billionaires are the terrorists of the 21st century.
Somewhere there’s a mentally ill loner being groomed, given bullets with names scribbled on the casing, and a screed written in a bizarre Elizabethan style…
Mamdani is 100% correct.
terrorists or demons would be a tad better, but monsters checks out. I like to bring in war criminals hiding from international justice too.
Jpost? OK guess I’ll just go with what the state says…
I didn’t even notice the source on my first read…. On second read I still think Mamdani is doing excellent work :)
Oh I’m all for Mamdani, just would like to see links from better sources.
100% I just find it funny in this instance and even from that perspective, he still comes out looking like a champion.
We need more politicians involved in dismantling oppressive systems and seeking unity. He’s showing Dems the way a path forwards. What Democratic leadership is pushing hasn’t worked for a while, maybe try to learn.
He might be a filthy half-measure loving democratic socialist, but he does occasionally do the right thing.
Ah, and there it is.
He is moving the overton window back to the left tho
In blue and maybe purple areas sure, but deep red areas are only getting redder in response. Speaking as someone who has lived in a red area my whole life.
The Overton window in the US has a long way to move towards the left before it even reaches center.
Mamdani’s kinda straddling the edge. He calls himself a Democratic Socialist and uses anti-capitalist rhetoric but his policy platform is just Social Democracy.
Hahaha the leftists have purity tested MAMDANI out of their circle. You can’t make this shit up, Lemmy
Mamdani would be like a center left politician in Europe. I guess for most Americans anything slightly to the left of a Hillary Clinton is the limit of the left spectrum.
Which left wing European governments are building state-owned grocery stores?
Anything that isn’t a total leninist commie is “center left”. I love it! You guys are so funny it’s sad. Once again, the left proving is exclusively good at one thing and one thing only: purity testing the left.
Also, I live in Europe. Mamdani is a boiler plate leftist here. Nothing you said is true.
The word “left” is extremely fluid on Lemmy, it seems. When Mamdani is campaigning, it’s a big tent word and Mamdani is definitely on the team. After the campaign, when the purity testing begins, “left” has strict leninist parameters in must adhere to. It’s fun, isn’t it
Ehhh, this isn’t half as true as it used to be (lived on both sides of the Atlantic extensively, am currently in central Europe). The majority of Europe is as firmly neoliberal as America is ideologically. We have a more robust welfare state, and some of us have some better labor laws, but the core ideals of neoliberalism rule nearly the entire subcontinent with real, old school socialist parties (that are actually still holding socialist views) don’t really have any more power than they do in the US. They get a bit more just by virtue of parliamentary systems, but their actual size and influence is almost non existent in most countries here.
Europe is in decline. It used to have people much to the left of Mamdani who implemented the socialist policies, but neoliberalism has been slowly eroding all of Europe and it is turning into the USA.
That is why Mamdani is now center-left in Europe. In the past he would just be a centrist or even center-right with his current policies. Everything is relative.
Compare Mamdani for example to Mechelon in France and Mamdani is clearly far to his right.
This is all vibes. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Well yes, but that’s my point, this trend has been global since the 80’s with Reagan and Thatcher. Continental Europe held out longer, but even here it pretty much rules the day. A lot of Americans have a very, very misinformed view of what politics here look like thinking it much more to the left, and that just hasn’t been the case for arguably a few decades. There’s a few issues we’re even to the right of Americans on. Sure, there are some holdouts, but not many that have impacted politics much in recent history.
Of course but the argument is that Mamdani is nowhere near the edge of leftism. Politicians with far more leftist policies than him have existed and succesfully implemented many. It is not a mythical pipe dream.
In the last two decades in US politics? Like who? Name one
Definitely agree with that. I’d say he’s near the edge of politicians currently in an actual elected position in the US, but that’s about as far as it goes. Even in the US, there have been politicians further left in power historically. Absolutely no pipe dream.
Taking a break from denying China’s systematic human rights abuses against Uyghurs in Xinjiang to talk shit about Mamdani, are we? Democratic socialism not totalitarian enough for your liking?
Go outside. Touch grass. Deprogram.
He’s not wrong they should be declared a terrorist group.
They should at least have to register as a foreign lobby
Do they fucking not now? How is that allowed!?
The politically appointed and republican biased supreme court should not be allowed to arbitrarily make law that impacts national security without an assessment by a balanced group overseeing it’s decisions, joint chiefs, pentagon, house and Congress.
Citizens united opens an enormous gaping national security hole that needs to be closed permanently and never reopened.
Have you gotten hasbara thrown at u that Israel is lower than some other countries in FARA reports? Yeah.
No but if it’s not bad enough that they are a foreign lobby meddling in our elections, they have resorted to dark money fronts posing as progressive or conservative activist groups in order to hide their influence. It’s fucking insidious.
Yup, it’s bullshit, clearly they are a functional foreign lobby and as you suggest they should be on the list. But they aren’t, so my pro-Israel friends/family pull up the FARA numbers to prove Israel isn’t the top foreign lobbyist in the US. It’s farcical.
They don’t do any terroristic activities.
They just bribe and coerce public employees into giving an immoral genocidal foreign government infinite money and protection from accountability and justice.
They demand uncritical support of Israel, which is basically a terrorist state at this point.
There were founded by terror groups attacking and displacing the Arab people, since the start they have been a terrorist state.
they do almost nothing but terrorism. Its their whole shtick.
according to statesian law, funding terrorists is terroristic activity. on that basis i disagree with your judgment of:
They don’t do any terroristic activities.
otherwise, you seem to have a good grasp of the situation
Comments like these make me think that if I were an American Jew I’d be donating to AIPAC. I’d want somewhere to escape to if antisemitism continues to to increase.
If it gets to a point where Jews are leaving your country to escape antisemitic violence, who’s the monsters?
Israel isn’t all Jews, and all Jews aren’t Israeli.
Anti genocide and antisemitism are not the same thing, and it’s frankly antisemitic of you to imply that they are.
The Jewish people live on stolen land. Remind me what happened on May 14, 1948. This isn’t some ancient claim. It was a bait and switch by England. Benny is just getting old and deciding like all the old boomers that he’s going to solidify some legacy and die off unaccountable.
Yeah, I live on stolen land too. You do too. Pretty much everyone does, there isn’t any territory on Earth that hasn’t changed hands to a different ethnic group at some point. And “England” did a lot of horrible things throughout the history books. The Ottomans took land from Palestinians and sold it to the Jews too, but for some reason you don’t want to implicate them in anything… why is that?
I.e. bad things happened before so I should be allowed to rape people with dogs.
What a lovely person you are to be shilling for that monstrous modern Nazi state.
Congratulations, you’re the perfect kind of brainless sheep that Israel wants to justify their genocide.
You are precisely as bad by rallying for genocide against all Israeli citizens. Hypocrite much?
Where have they done that? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean in a comment elsewhere. If you did mean their comment above, how do you suppose you are against a genocide if any opposition is equivalent to wanting a counter genocide?
i mean i get it. i’m disabled. i had three weeks from my diagnosis to my first real death threat. not my first death threat, the first one that was actionable. the first nonactionable threat only took a few days. i’d have immigrated, like, anywhere by now if there was anywhere that took disabled people. and i’m literally the best in the world at my instrument.
i’m literally the best in the world at my instrument
Can you tell us more?
just a little, i’m putting things together. forgive me for being purposefully vague. the last person to do what i do on my instrument, which i cannot yet own because it costs as much as a house in the statesian midwest, did what she did in 1979. almost no one knows her name because it’s a very obscure musical instrument. you only know her name if you play the instrument. she has a technique named after her. i have a technique named after me. there are two people with techniques named after them. i got my technique named after me about ten, maybe fifteen years ago (covid fucked with my sense of time) when i was developing it with a guy named mark in utah. i wanted to call it the gimme, he named it after me and I didn’t quite get what an honor that was. then i saw my photo on the professional musicians association website last month. from the last convention i attended two decades ago. it’s blowing my mind. that’s about it.
If it gets to a point where Jews are leaving your country to escape antisemitic violence, who’s the monsters?
LMAO, the people who leave are getting discounted houses/free land stolen from LIVING families who are now homeless. There are so many fucking reports, documentaries, and interviews about this, spanning back to the 19-fucking-70s. The Nakba is a real historically analyzed event. Fucking Helen Mirren has a quote about what she saw:
Mirren said of her experience in Israel at that time:
I witnessed things that were wrong. I witnessed Arabs being thrown out of their houses in Jerusalem. But it was just the extraordinary magical energy of a country just beginning to put its roots in the ground. It was an amazing time to be here.Who’s the monster? Look in the mirror, “space cowboy”. From a Canadian instance no less: you exist in a server on stolen treaty land, and you’re support other’s land getting stolen. What else is new.
There were Jews living throughout the Middle East before 1948. Thriving Jewish communities in places like Cairo and Baghdad. Where did they go? Jews were forced out of their houses and had to move to Israel. But there were much more horrible things happening to Jews in the 1940s so most people don’t think about it much. But maybe you pretend there was nothing bad at all happened to Jews in the 1940s, that kind of thinking seems to be getting commonplace nowadays.
There’s no doubt terrible things have happened to Palestinians. But it’s dishonest to be so selective about history. Especially when your goal is to dehumanize people.
But history is history. Today in 2026, 2/3 of racial attacks in my country are against Jews. We have synagogues being shot at coinciding with events in the Middle East. Sorry to pierce the safe little bubble you’ve built for yourself, but anti-zionism is the same as anti-semitism now. What else can we consider it to be? People attacking Canadian Jews because they’re angry over things happening on the other side of the world. Anti-zionists don’t distinguish between Israeli and Jew, so what are you doing be demanding some perverse form of political correctness in distinguishing between anto-zionist and antisemite?
You can get off the “Anti-zionist” ride at any time. There was never any goal to it anyway. Nothing that particular hate group is about benefits Palestinians anyway. Just promoting hate which can only get more people killed, and most of the people killed in the never ending conflict they want to go on forever are Palestinian.
You aren’t wrong, but you aren’t going to have a sane conversation about Israel on Lemmy.
I think I can talk the crazy out of them :P
So would you support the idea of ethno-states in general? Do you think being against ethno-states as a principle means one is against any given ethnicity that is attempting to found one? If you don’t support ethnostates in general, what is the basis for granting exceptions such as to Israel? Having suffered a great injustice earlier in history? Couldn’t, say, Ukrainians claim this because of the Holodomor? Would you find it ethical for them to, say, have separate rights for ethnic Ukrainians vs ethnic Hungarians, Russians, and others that are Ukrainian nationals?
I’m really asking here, because I just can’t see how you can square this circle without just being plain arbitrary. You either are okay with the idea of ethnostates, or you aren’t. And if you’re in favor of them, you almost definitionally need to engage in either genocide (in the wider sense of any form of removal of a people) or apartheid (having separate classes based on ethnic lines). No? How else could you realize this without one of the two?
So would you support the idea of ethno-states in general?
Not in general. When I was younger I didn’t have a problem with there being a Jewish state, but I didn’t think it was a necessity. I didn’t think there would ever be large numbers of people becoming antisemitic. Sure there’d always be some white power losers, but not any significant movement based around antisemitism.
The antisemitism I’ve seen since October 7 has changed my mind. The attacks on synagogues, Jewish businesses, and harassment campaigns against Jews (there’s even campaigns against holocaust museums) has convinced me that something akin to 1930s Germany can happen again. During that time Jews try to flee but no country would accept Jewish refugees.
It’s a sad state the world is in today. Antisemitism is happening, we know it’s connected to this “anti-zionist” movement, but people pretend it’s not happening out of political expedience.
Leftists have always had a weakness towards anti-semitism (the old greedy capitalist Jew stereotype) as has the far right. In 1930s Germany the leftists and fascists joined together over their shared hatred of Jews. BTW, read about the night of the long knives if you want the biggest “leopards ate my face” moment in history, things didn’t go well for the socialists once they were no longer useful to the fascists. Something to think about when you’re rubbing shoulders with violent people that hate Jews.
History doesn’t repeat itself but is sure does rhyme. We’re in a dangerous time and we know antisemitism is a real force in radical politics on both the left and right, as much is you deny it because it’s inconvenient to your narrative.
The need for a Jewish state is a indicator of a failure of humanity. It’s sad that it has to be this way. Just as I wish that racism didn’t exist at all, I wish there didn’t need to be a Jewish state. But unfortunately racism does exist, and antisemitism is on the rise along with radical politics in which it is embedded. We’ve seen this story play out before.
I’ll do what I can to make sure my country (Canada) will not repeat the mistakes it made in the past when asylum was not granted Jewish refugees from Germany. Recent statements by Mark Carney gives me some hope that at least Canada has learned from the past. But the constant attacks on synagogues in my country make me feel like the efforts by those that have read a history book may not be enough. So there needs to be a country of last resort for Jews.
This is not how I want the world to be, I’m just recognizing the reality of the world we’re currently living in.
So you’re saying the Jews need their own space as a matter of survival? I think the Germans had a word for that: lebensraum.
The reality of the situation is that zionists have spent the last four years systematically exterminating the population of Palestine through a combination of direct violence, terror, and apparently a coordinated effort to cause mass starvation.
In the last year, they’ve moved on to Lebanon and Syria.
Conflating Zionism and semitism won’t make me think the atrocities being carried out right now are okay. I will remain an anti-zionist. You might convince me to become an anti-semite, though.
Edit: to clarify, this isnt a Jewish problem. The problem is being caused by the political entity we know as Israel, not the ethnic group we call Jews. Now both the political entity we call Israel, and actual anti-semites, have a vested interest in conflating the two.
So I’d repeat my follow up question: aren’t there quite a few peoples who could claim ongoing discrimination as a justification for founding an ethnostate? Should the Roma in Europe be given an ethnostate? Why do you only extend this to Israel? The Roma face far more open discrimination in Europe today, measurably. Should Europe hand them land that doesn’t belong to Europe in India because that’s their ancient ancestral homeland?
Heck, look at the anti-Islamic rhetoric and attacks that have happened post 9/11… doesn’t this, using your reasoning, justify the existence of an Islamic State?
I don’t think you can fight racism with more racism, and ethnostates by definition require some degree of racism. All you do is encourage more racism, and I think quite clearly this pans out as the rise in antisemitic views has directly coincided with the actions of Israel. Or you’ll have to walk me through how they don’t… if ethnicity is an institutional dividing line within a state, you necessarily have to engage in racism to uphold it.
(Also not sure what you’re referencing in the Night of Long Knives… I really hope this isn’t an oblique National Socialists are socialists reference, because that would be pretty ridiculous. Even the Strassers, while you can certainly argue had some socialist ideas informing them, were not really traditional socialists. National Socialism was a distinct movement from socialism, and the latter never really aligned themselves with fascists, they were actively bleeding fighting them).
Wow this is some serious islamaphobia here. Now let us watch as you try to cloak yourself in antisemitism while defending genocide. Such absolute bullshit.
This is interesting. She had other remarks about Israelis toward the end of her career as well. Less charitable ones
She had me in the first half, until the magical energy kicked in. Really illustrates how much you can overlook when you’re quite sure you know who the good guys are. I bet the Nazi party also had its fair share of magical energy back in the day.
What are you even talking about?!
lol, every Jewish American I know hates AIPAC and is 100% against the occupation and genocide that is currently happening.
Nothing turns people against AIPAC more than facts about AIPAC and Israel.
I’m assuming your imaginary Jewish friends don’t go to any of the synagogues that have been shot at by “anti-zionists”.
I think you’re the one that has been shooting synagogues, temples and churches because your mission is to get the people to kill each other.
You’re grasping at straws here.
Unless you are donating obscene amounts, they don’t give 2 shits about you or your backup plan.
I don’t think that’s giving American Jews enough credit.
Israel as a bug-out plan for anyone with Jewish heritage is a distinctly Zionist idea, which is more polarizing these days. But even if some Jews are given to such an us-them disposition, many find it impossible to ignore this apparent gollum of an increasingly explicit mechanized hegemonic (eta: genocidal) fascist secular apartheid state somehow laying claim to their worldwide identity.
In short, I just find it hard to believe the average Jew is especially ignorant, heartless, or selfish. That to me sounds like actual antisemitism.
Antifa was last year.
Can you explain how Antifa is a terrorist group?
I’d love specifics.
What specifically have they done? Who have they terrified? Hell, even just… Who is the group?
Antifa isn’t a group like Al Qaeda, The Taliban, ISIS, The Proud Boys, etc. it is an anti-fascist philosophy. So if you’re actively against antifa, that necessarily puts you on the side of fascists. Keep that in mind when looking at who is vocally against antifa and trying to demonize antifa.
Executive order.
Why even bother replying if you don’t have an answer? You just made yourself look fucking stupid.
Executive orders only affect federal workers.
Opposing Israel is not synonymous with Antifa.
POTUS designated it a terrorist organization happened.
It’s unrelated to this conversation.
It’s not an organization
So what? It’s a legal terrorist organization.
Check the news.
Declaring it’s an organization doesn’t make it an organization.
Sorry about the dementia, but at least you can be more like dear leader.
Check the news not your opinion.
It’s not an organization
No shit. Guess what the point is that you missed?
It’s just synonymous with American patriotism
That’s not the point, I was shutting down right wing rhetoric.
Sorry misread your comment out with the dog. I agree, it’s just common sense.
What right wing rhetoric? They just made a factual statement. Antifa WAS declared a terrorist org. It’s insane nonsense that doesn’t even define what antifa is but it’s true.
You know you can click on a user’s name and see their post history right?
We’re not talking about antifa is the point because he’s unrelated to them.
My understanding of their incredibly vague comment that you are reading an awful lot into, is that terrorist designations are silly and mean mostly nothing because the people doing the designating are untrustworthy.
But you can feel however you want about things
