What a crock of shit
I’m all for protests but you can’t shoot at an officer and vandalize things. That’s no longer a protest.
So vandalism should be met with a 50 year prison sentence?
This is preposterous. The outcome is entirely disproportionate.
Disproportionate? Those guys were heros.
Yeah, good thing that Jared released that bitch that tried to steal an election. Same thing for the orange asshole releasing all the terrorists that attacked the Capitol.
Hopefully they will be pardoned once we purge
I wish I still had your capacity for hope.
This is state, so Texas would need a normal governor first.
And with that, it’s complete. The United States is not dying - it’s dead. The government is under the control of open fascists, the rule of law is a thing of the past, democracy is dead and the Constitution has been wadded up and thrown away.
They’ll be bulldozing corpses into mass graves before long.
They’ll be bulldozing corpses into mass graves before long.
Already are just not in plain sight yet
Nah, in Gaza they’re making the Palestinians do it by hand.
My ancestors/people would take issue with that. They’ve been found in mass graves in the US and Canada for decades upon decades. Camps and mass graves are always the ultimate resort of the state. Every continent, every era. Generally the average person is safe enough to not have to worry about finding themselves in one. Surely the state would never turn on them to serve itself. Surely.
The United States is not dying - it’s dead.
A country that has been doing this since it’s inception is not dead because it continues to do this thing.
Wish it would die, but the Fascist States of Amerikkka grind on atop the bones of the honest, innocent, and good.
Authoritarianism is an admission of abject weakness.
A healthy, broadly educated population, which feels safe and secure, is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.
They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.
fuck
Something’s missing. Setting aside the 1 person who was violent. A jury of their peers convicted of others for what amounts to minor vandalism, and the sentence was decades in prison? Has the system completely failed citizens standing up for what’s right?
This is why I won’t go to Texas
That requires enough of the citizens to not be absolute sheep. The loudest most confident people are often some of the dumbest and unfortunately most influential. Even on juries.
People who think for themselves don’t make it through the jury selection process.
It’s completely insane. I know that prison terms are decided by the judges (within the windows of their charges), but I cannot for the life of me believe that 8 or however many ‘impartial’ jurors decided that terrorism charges for 50, 70, and 100 years were OK. There’s just no fucking way.
A murder charge gets you at max 99 years in Texas. The guy who shot the officer didn’t even kill him. There’s evidence that was withheld from the court that the officer drew first.
I cannot believe so many people in this country and around the world are OK with outright tyranny. I might as well be a separate species than them
Aren’t you an imperial project since you settled in 1416?
What?
What country are you talking about, the Spanish colonization, or the British one?
Oh shut the fuck up.
Just block the dumb fuck. There are a few accounts that I’m not convinced aren’t the same person. Every post they spam dumbass shit like this that’s not at all relevant to the discussion. They use the forum to just talk shit about stuff that happened hundreds of years ago. Best to just not engage and block.
Honestly, when they’re this open and stupid about it, I prefer that because it’s easier to pick out bad actors for the blocking.
Very, free speech of you, Texan?
You genuinely sound like a clown, even if your anti colonialist stance is correct. Please for the good of the species, just stop talking.
I’m not seeing 1416 being referenced in either of those.
Settlements started prior to colonization. Which is why I am asking for precision on “OK with outright tyranny.”
Need to know Upvoters’ flavors.
What are you talking about, shut up dude. Yeah, the Americas were colonized and shouldn’t have. What does that have to do with fucking anything about this
Last time I served on a jury they didn’t tell us what the sentence would be and also said we can’t take sentencing or sympathy into account.
They try real fucking hard to make sure the Jury doesn’t actually do anything
Stuff like that is why not not avoiding jury duty is so important.
It’s Texas…
Let that be a lesson. If you’re going to get arrested for protesting against ICE, you may as well start killing them. It’s the same punishment anyway.
Because they want people to randomly attack authority figures. That will give them the justification to crack down HARD. The next few years will be rough.
Two people just got 50 years in prison as a mandatory minimum for allegedly slashing tires and setting off fireworks.
They’re already cracking down hard. We’re past the justification part.
You think this is cracking down hard? This is foreplay to them. Cracking down hard is when all pretext is gone and they start openly killing and jailing their political enemies and stripping them of their rights. This is them trying to get their opponents to take the bait and give them flimsy justification to do anything they want.
They are literally already doing whatever they want what the fuck are you talking about.
You must be young. Study history to see how bad things can get. OR just keep impotently bitching about it on the internet. Im sure that will help change things.
Cracking down hard is when all pretext is gone and they start openly killing and jailing their political enemies and stripping them of their rights.
Fred Hampton.
Yep. The far right cannot wait to see actual death squads taking orders from Donvict.
Well be good, don’t resists and lick them boots clean and maybe they won’t hurt you. Lots of us aren’t going to do it.
Ok internet tough guy haha. Really easy to say this on the internet and in the safety of your homes. But when the boot gets placed on your neck, you’ll lick it like 99% of the rest of them.
But dont let me get in the way of your totally normal and not weird as fuck power fantasy.
Honestly if it’s truly random I suspect it’d actually be hard for them to justify as easily compared to if it happened at a protest. If some ICE agent gets shanked and their wallet jacked while they’re smoking outside a hotel or something it’d be hard to justify it since that appears to just be pure crackhead behavior.
They are already cracking down. I say it’s time to crack back.
Haha ok. Lets not pretend here. There not going to be any cracking back. Because for all your big words, none of you will do shit. You’ll just post on a forum to try to feel like a badass by talking about committing acts of domestic terrorism against a government you dont agree with. And yes, regardless of how you may feel about which side is right, it will be terrorism. But you’re all too cowardly for that.
Just a bunch of scared children nudge each other and saying, “Somebody should do something about this! But not me!”
Go on. Give me the details of how you’d crack back. Or are you going to tell me that you meant as a society and not yourself? You people are so ridiculously detached from reality that you need to go outside and get off the internet.
Lol says the dude obsessively drooling all over this thread. I don’t know what kind of BS point you think you have but I guarantee you you’re wasting your time with this weird line of thinking.
You know if people keep lying down baring their stomach they’re gonna crack down HARD anyway. So, ( ° ͜ʖ °)
They might even kill you in the first place so you won’t ever need to serve the sentence
I’ll be amazed if anybody sentenced here will be in prison 5 years from today. The guy who shot the gun might be an exception because only a crazy person is firing guns off at other humans like this, but the rest is just bizarre.
It’s never acceptable to vandalize shit but the sentences are wildly excessive.
The guy that fired the gun did so in response to the cop pulling his gun and firing first. Self defence.
He actually has a case that could overturn Qualified Immunity, should anyone actually let his lawyers know about the full text of §1983, not the illegally amended text that was copied into the Federal Register in 1884. The relevant Congressional Record is 1881.
The Nazi literally shot first.
It’s never acceptable to vandalize shit but the sentences are wildly excessive.
Really, never?
Boston Tea Party was truly a tragedy. All that tea, from honest hardworking subjects of the king.
It is a deep and everlasting shame that America won that war, started with such a despicable act of vandalism.
/s
I’m not familiar with that event.
Stonewall riots. The thing that kickstarted the gay rights movement in the US
Thanks. I definitely know of the incident, but didn’t recognize the photo.
Apparently there’s some evidence to suggest he fired in response to the officer pulling his weapon. But the fact remains. If you’re going to fire at an officer of the state. Commit. Even if you miss they will try to lock you up for life. There won’t be an “understanding”. Or no harm no foul with community service. The state will bury you one way or another.
Hopefully many of these with be appealed as they’re fucking ridiculous. But I don’t have any great hopes.
Vandalism and property damage is not violence.
Drawing a weapon on nonviolent protesters is a threat of violence.
The guy who shot the police only did so after police pointed a loaded firearm at unarmed protestors
The guy who shot the gun might be an exception because only a crazy person is firing guns off at other humans like this
Only a crazy person shoots a gestapo thug in defense of others? (According to the article, the thug had his gun drawn and was about to start shooting protestors.)
Anyone discharging a firearm in a protest is insane man. Guns shouldn’t even be there. I just imagine a giant crowd and stray bullets striking indiscriminately. I’ve lost multiple friends to bullets. One was a stray shot not intended to hit her at all, but she’s still dead and her sons grew up without a mom.
The moment someone opens fire is an escalation point which can go a couple of ways. What if shooting the guy resulted in all of the officers drawing weapons and starting shooting? what if dozens or hundreds of lives were lost? The moment weapons fire is heard is the moment everyone assumes there is an active shooter and reacts. It’s quite literally suicidal to shoot at cops, and they didn’t just risk their life, they risked the lives of everyone else there.
So yeah, no. I don’t really prescribe to shooting cops who haven’t fired a shot and are surrounded by witnesses or cameras. Just like I don’t condone them shooting unarmed protestors.
I remember being at Occupy protests and watching and experiencing violence and unlawful arrests from police
Then on the national call we realized that cities with open carry laws didn’t experience such violence from police, because natives joined with guns.
We have very recent history of guns keeping protestors safe from police
It makes no goddamn sense.
Benjamin Song, who fired the gun at the police officer, was sentenced to 100 years in prison.
Good riddance. I imagine rest was captured before they managed to murder any people
Good! The LAST thing we Want is to Set the Precedent that Using your First Amendment Right gives you LESS Jail Time then MURDER!
Well, if exersing your First Amendment rights gets you fifty years, might as well exercise your Second Amendment rights…
…they did though?
No, that guy got 100
Fascism.
Elect a Democrat and pardon them all like Traitor Trump did for 1,500 insurrectionists.
They literally shot an ar15 at the cop… And it connected.
Only after the jackboot pointed a loaded weapon at innocent people. You don’t point a gun at someone unless you intend to kill them. That hero saved innocent lives.
One out of like 8 people convicted.
You can read the shooter’s statment here. He’s a hero.
Only if by “cop” you mean “subhuman gestapo thug about to murder people for exercising their free speech rights.”
The democrat is more likely to issue blanket pardons to trump and company in hopes of “moving forward” in a spirit of bipartisan good will.
It sickens me that you’re probably right. That asswipe will never see a day in prison even though he and others in his administration deserve it so much.
Biden pardoned the kids for cash judge.
It’s not left vs right, it’s the global corporatists vs a very divided ‘everyone else.’
This is how it always has been ever since the first monarchies
So basically protesting against ICE is worse than raping children in USA.
