Boy, that makes you wonder.

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      You’re not wrong, but guns are a civic religion here in the US. There are lots and lots and lots of guns that are easily accessible by toddlers.

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        Aren’t guns supposed to be to fight tyrannical governments or something in the US? Where is that? I’ve been told by Americans that all the gun deaths were worth it in the case of what is currently happening there

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        Why are they accessible by toddlers? Have your “civic religions” not heard of a lockbox or even a high shelf?

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          No need to ask me questions like this as if I personally support it.

          And yes, people here are aware of all the safety measures available. They just care more about convenience or otherwise don’t care at all.

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            Oh, yeah, sorry mate. I didn’t mean to imply you support it. I added the quotation marks because I wasn’t attributing them as your civic religions. I definitely didn’t mean to offend. Honestly, I’m just annoyed with some gun owners not taking the bare minimum protection measures, making those that do take precautions still look like twats. And, for the record, my opinion on gun control is that if you own a gun, you must control who has access to it, that you are responsible for its use/misuse, and that the governments shouldn’t have such a say on whether you’re allowed to own it. I’ve seen first hand what can happen when the citizens are fully unarmed, and I don’t particularly want to live through that again, so yes, you should be able to own a gun (safely stored).

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              I appreciate that. I hate it all too.

              There have been some minor positive developments at least. A few of the school shooters in recent years have had their parents arrested and locked up for proven negligence. I hope it will become a trend.

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                This is the correct government/law official response, in my opinion, and I hope it’ll continue. Everyone is so focused on AI and privacy (not at all insignificant concerns), that gun restrictions seem to get passed pretty easily across the globe, and those “I can own a gun no matter what and leave it on the kitchen counter if I want to” blokes make it that much easier for those laws to pass. It worries me.

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            I purposely didn’t have kids, not because they’re awful, but because of unstoppable, irreversible climate change and ecocide.

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              As a parent i fully support this chance.

              One of the reasons i do have kids is because i recognise how rational people who think critically of the current world will easily adopt this logic.

              Meaning the future will be largely populated by children of people who are not capable to think critically.

              I did always have a child-wish, so maybe it’s part excuse, but it’s a strategic excuse. Either humanity has irreversibly failed or it has not yet meaning i have to try increase the chance on future our survival. (No pressure on them though, they get to decide their future and i might win hope if i am lucy)

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                Meaning the future will be largely populated by children of people who are not capable to think critically.

                Idiocracy was a documentary.

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                Nah fuck that, we drive 200 other species to extinction per day. The faster earth shakes off its case of humanity, the better the rest of the natural worlds chances at rebounding in a million years become.

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                  There are days i agree, others where discover a beauty that showcases our infinite potential.

                  Regardless the doomer perspective does not help me to fix any of our problems, all it does is give me mental illness. There is a short path between lost hope and suicide ideation. So i choose to not lose hope and continue to try to do some good to push the scale.

                  I like the irony in your username btw.

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                  Nah fuck this doomer anti-child shit. You can affect positive change on a local scale. If all the intelligent, compassionate people that understand this stop having children we’re gonna be even more fucked than we are in a few generations’ time.

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                    I don’t know how much you know about it, but we are an extinction event. We’ve released more CO2 into the atmosphere in 200 years than at any point in the earth’s history. Thousands of times faster than any other CO2 related extinction event, including volcanoes and meteors the size of countries. I’m not worried about humans in a few generations time, because there won’t be any left.

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              And awful. The last thing I could ever want is coming home from work exhausted and have to take care of a screaming child who shit itself.

              I just come home, feed my chickens, collect eggs, let the dog outside unsupervised while I leave the front door cracked so he can come in when he’s ready and crack a beer.

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      While true, that’s not relevant, good parents and non-parents can also get killed by toddlers with guns.

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      Hurm duuhrr acyually your toddler needs a gun presnet to develop natural immunity, because there are no vaccines for guns checkmate. /s

      I’m amused anyone would downvote you for making such an obviously correct statement.

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        If you have to have a gun, just put it in a gun safe. I get that there are so many dangerous places in the USA or places like Mexico.

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          Don’t think everyone having guns is going to make things much safer. That said, I don’t really have a horse in that fight.

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            When the governments have guns and you don’t. That isn’t safe. And crazies also like to go to places with gun free zones. It is always better to have a gun when you know other people already have them.

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              2A evangelists always said we need so many guns in America in case of governmental overreach. In case we need to defend against authoritarians and prevent fascism. In case they decide to lock us up for free speech, or illegally kidnap us, or even murder us in the streets…

              My friend, that’s all happening now, with not a peep from the adherents. How were all the gun deaths, school shootings, and suicides worth it if it prevented nothing!?

              Also, “And crazies also like to go to places with gun free zones.” Do you have a source for that? It sounds eerily similar to boomers claiming there’s so much more crime these days despite hard evidence to the contrary…

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      But a pretty good one if your toddler knows how to unlock your safe and operate a gun. That’s pretty impressive.

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        Would be very shitty. If your toddler get your keys, and actually knows how to unlock a heavy safe that also has a fingerprint sensor.

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        OK, so just call the police if somebody is in your house trying to murder you… Yea that makes sense… Hold on burglar, I’m on the phone with the cops, you just stay there until they get here… Your comment lacks any kind of common sense.

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          It you own a gun and have a kid your kid is way more likely to shoot itself or you than a home invader trying to murder you. Like way more.

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                Most people are stupid. That is why the stats are so high, all lax with guns. Like laying them around against the wall for example. Then their 10 year old shoots somebody. But real gun owners make sure they are in a safe place.

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                    I know what statistics mean. You don’t understand what actual safe gun owners are. And you mentioned no source. You just keep saying statistic like some shitty Fox news guest.

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          Do you just live in constant fear of statistically unlikely occurrences? Are you a conservative by chance?

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          The police will be disappointed that there’s nothing left for them to take. “darn, thief beat us again”

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          Just make sure you have your baseball bat, nunchucks, throwing stars or whatever mall ninja vigilante weapon you care to imagine. These will be far more accessible than the recommended gun safe and separately stored ammo.

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          Not sure if you’re talking about me or not, but I don’t live in a country that requires a firearm at all times because anyone can buy them 2 for 1 on sale at Wal Mart, and also I would make an awful parent which is why I don’t have kids.

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            Oh sorry, I was actually trying to make a self deprecating joke about myself. Or actually a hypothetical version of myself that had kids and was a bad parent.

            Which is why I added the whole “talking about being a bad parent reminds me that I had to go take care of my kids” outro.

            Clearly I’ll need to work on my material.

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              Lmao no worries! OP is being a massive cunt and had to block him so I wasn’t sure of the context. All good, friend <3

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                Blocking people just because you were completely wrong about guns, and who you don’t agree with. Of course. Just live in your echo chamber. That’s very cunty. You don’t understand that real drug dealers have guns, you know, like the cartel.

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        What are you going to stop a burglar with? Hugs??? That was a very idiotic thing to say. Do you not know how the world works? Just let the burglar attack you or your family until the cops get there…

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          If a bugler can get by my dogs without getting mauled to death, or my military training, god bless them.

          Also, most robberies in Canada are done without firearms. Since… You know… They’re not exactly common here.

          Also if you own a gun just to prevent imaginary robberies and dream of being able to shoot and kill someone, you might want to seek professional help. Most people don’t want to kill someone.

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            Burglars also have guns that can easily shoot your dog in the US. You are not even thinking about the US. I knew there was no way in hell you live in the USA with that comment. Robberies happen, this isn’t imaginary. You best be thankful you never lived in a dangerous neighbourhood. Nobody is actually wanting to kill a burglar. It’s was disgusting for you to even suggest that. Guns don’t always instantly kill people.

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              You are many orders of magnitude more likely to kill yourself or a loved one with a gun in the home than you are to stop an attempted home invasion with a gun. The statistics aren’t remotely ambiguous, you are much much much more likely to get shot when you have a gun in your home.

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              You best be thankful you never lived in a dangerous neighbourhood.

              Then you didn’t know where I lived when I went to school in Toronto. Kitty-Corner from me was a pay by hour hotel. Lots of hookers, escorts, pimps, drugs, etc.

              They just didn’t have guns. Because they’re hard to come by in Canada and don’t come with the same dick stroking reputation as it does in the States. No one cares about guns here because our country doesn’t masturbate over the idea of having them.

              I’ve known multiple drug dealers in my life. None of them owned guns.

              Perhaps you should self reflect that this problem you have with needing to “protect” your family with killing machines because other people have such easy access to those same killing machines is purely an America problem, not a global problem.

              I hope you never use those guns on your family. Because statistically you are.

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                There is no way in hell you could compare drug dealers in Canada to ones in The United States. Real drug dealers have guns. Those drug dealers you have seen in Canada are nothing. Oh, look I am going to protect all my stash with a knife… Nope! And you can actually be a safe gun owner.

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                  Real drug dealers have guns.

                  In your shithole of a country maybe. Last I checked your president is putting tariffs on our country because of the vast amounts of fentanyl crossing into your country, or something like that. I think he fell asleep halfway through.

                  And you can actually be a safe gun owner.

                  Literally no such thing. You cannot own a device who’s sole purpose is to kill other humans and be responsible with it. And I say this as a former member of CAF who fired weapons far larger that whatever you have in your purse.

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                    Do you not know what bird shot is??? Those can be warning shots. You can shoot warning shots too. It doesn’t instantly kill you!

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                  @Anonymous_Leaker @PhoenixDog

                  I don’t think this person is worth engaging, but I’m American, worked in the wholesale side of drug dealing where we were dealing with thousands of doses at a time, and nobody had a gun. You know not of what you speak.

                  Real criminals generally don’t carry a gun. It adds years to the charge.

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                    Korean store owners constantly have to have a gun for example. You say no drug dealer had a gun with the wholesale side, but you can’t know for sure, guns can be hidden on their body. Do you ask every criminal if they had a gun? You are delusional. Real criminals do have guns! You know, like the cartel and organized crime!!!

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                    Real criminals don’t give a fuck, you don’t know what you speak of. They carry guns, have you not seen all those body cams???