Fingers crossed that this won’t turn into a Bernie situation. If we get past the primaries, fingers crossed this won’t turn into a Obama/Fetterman situation.
Many believe Harris lost in 2024 because voters viewed her as too progressive
What are they talking about
I have zero hope she’ll win the primary, but I’d bet money she’d win the general if she got to it. The next problem after that though is if she ends up being president in 2028, she’ll probably not get jack shit done because of the newly massively gerrymandered congress, intrinsically anti-democratic senate, and actively hostile SCOTUS.
We’d see her win and the american left would get the largest blackpill ever as she gets fucked over and gets barely anything done, is blamed, and then we get Cyber-Trump in 2032.
I love her but I would rather to have her remain in legislative branch. She does amazing works in committees and more. She can do more for goods in legislative branch (years) than she would in executive 4-8 years plus being resisted by propaganda).
but I’d bet money she’d win the general
What in the last 10, if not more, years of American history makes you think she’d win the general?
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Most democratic voters who always vote blue don’t care whether they’re a moderate or leftwing. The ones that are more likely to refuse to vote are the lefties, and while there are some lefties who dislike AOC, most of them would be willing to vote for her and might even be excited to.
Centrists, apolitical, indie voters are all dumb as rocks and don’t pay enough attention and generally just vote on gut feeling. Thus the anti-incumbancy bias will favor any democratic candidate the shove out in 2028.
Make no mistake, the Democrats can still lose, because they’re Democrats. Its just 2028 specifically favors them enough and AOC would move them to be even more favorable, thus worth betting on.
Centrists, apolitical, indie voters are all dumb as rocks and don’t pay enough attention and generally just vote on gut feeling.
You require their votes to win any election. Your party is at 30%, just like Republicans; Independents are now 40%.
Why some Democrats think insulting the majority of the electorate will do them any favors is beyond me… where I’m from, that’s the exact opposite of smart. But I’m sure you’ll figure it all out, professor.
You require their votes to win any election. Your party is at 30%, just like Republicans; Independents are now 40%.
I don’t require anything. I’m not democratic leadership or a politician, I’m just providing an honest analysis.
If independents and the like are going to change their vote because someone said mean words they simply are petulantly fucking stupid and deserve whatever grifter rightwing politician they get. Like Trump for instance.
Why some Democrats think insulting the majority of the electorate will do them any favors is beyond me… where I’m from, that’s the exact opposite of smart. But I’m sure you’ll figure it all out, professor.
I’m not seeking favors. I don’t give a fuck if democrats win anymore outside maybe some minor material benefit to general well being as a citizen of a country full of morons. Eventually blue states will end up having all the economic leverage anyway, so I’m moving to one as soon as I can (or maybe even eventually out of this shithole country entirely if I can afford to)
You deserve Trump. You deserve all the bullshit he has brought. Go ahead and vote Republican, I do not give a fuck lol. Let the federal government collapse so the blue state economic powerhouses can balkanize and take the proper reigns of government away from fuckwits and fascists.
Why some Democrats think insulting the majority of the electorate will do them any favors is beyond me…
Because that’s what they’ve done to us for decades. It’s only wrong and stupid when we do it?
AOC vs Rubio, you’re getting someone of Hispanic heritage whether you like it or not!
she’ll probably not get jack shit done because of the newly massively gerrymandered congress, intrinsically anti-democratic senate, and actively hostile SCOTUS.
Using the Trump precedence, she can ignore Congress and SCOTUS.
And she can start by having Thomas indicted for his obvious & open corruption.
Shes going to need to get really creative for that to work. Trump manages to do shit without congress because of corruption, corporate backing, and being nihilistic, impulsive, and being surrounded by yes men.
AOC would be entering a hostile environment and likely wouldn’t be able to tame it, would try to be careful not to do more harm than good, and would be surrounded by well meaning but likely stifling voices of bureaucrats/proceduralists, scientists, and dissenting activists, etc. And she would try to actually listen to all of them, slowing her down and making her easy to undercut by snakes.
The cynicism is strong with this one…
Indeed. See the literal first word of my profile’s description.
How odd…a candidate that seems to give a shit about us is leading.
Democrats are starting their primary already? Must want to try and get people to vote in the midterms.
No, it clearly states in the article that this data was from a poll conducted by AtlasIntel, a Brazilian marketing company. They also point out that not a single other poll has gotten these results. This post is very misleading. But people see a headline they like, and they upvote/comment without bothering to read the articles.
If you wanted people to read the article, why didnt you post it in the comments?
The link to the article is literally at the top of the page you posted this comment on. Just scroll up. Why do I need to post something that OP already posted?
Bernie 2.0 incoming, who’s ready for Gavin Newsom to be president?
Part of me hates to see her try. As long as she is straddling the line between serious presidential candidate and popular US House member my head cannon reasons there is still some sanity in some small part of our political institutions.
Watching her actually seriously try to get the top job and watching the DNC ruin her for it would be so depressing.
The democratic party funded by AIPAC will rather see Trump for a third time than having AOC as president.
AOC is doing her best to keep friendly with the J-Street Israel lobby lately.
Gotta get the red Dems out.
It would be easier to start a new party at this rate looking at where that money comes from… I say knowing there is still no direct alternative despite decades of trying from other minor parties…
Rather than having a woman as president*
Why the down votes for this comment?
Cuz they already ran a woman for president, twice. So saying the dems don’t want a woman president is just categorically false.
Bold to assume that’s what I was saying 😂
Men don’t want a women running this country sadly
They’re run 2 candidates that lost to the GOP that were women already. Where is the idea that the Dems won’t run a woman coming from?
Fair point, but it feels bad to accept.
Well, perhaps it is concern that the Dems shouldn’t run a woman, not that they haven’t. The reality of the situation is that there is still plenty of closeted (some less so) misogyny among Democrats such that a woman is going to have a harder time winning than a man (all other things being equal) in the general. Add a racial minority, socdem, and 8 years of GOPedo vilification on top of that and you have an even harder path forward than Clinton or Harris, especially if the GOP nominee in 2028 is an outwardly reasonable, straight, white, male. I still think that the GOPedos stole the 2024 election, but I also think that their steal may not have been successful if a straight, white, male had replaced Biden instead of a brown woman. Not that I want any of this to be true, but I think it is where we are currently.
Or something more nefarious at foot.
Ideologues that vote solely on what genitals a candidate has
Even the chuddiest chuds I know don’t express anything remotely like that opinion. Racism, xenophobia, and Islamophobia are all either open topics or simmering just below the surface of political discussion, but not the sex of a politician. Nevertheless, the hand-winging centrists are sure there’s a wellspring of otherwise gettable voters that are driven by that single issue. And its salience magically rises and falls depending on whether there’s a popular female progressive.
This is why you lose elections
Oh, I’m sorry. I thought your original response was mocking that take. I try to assume good faith so someone writing that sincerely didn’t make sense.
I mean there are a lot of men who don’t want that.
White women voted for Trump. Does that mean there’s lots of white women who won’t vote for a woman?
Yes, but I’m just pointing out people are fucking sexist here
Do people genuinely think someone running for a party that backed a genocide can be any good and that should be voted?
We generally need like 50 more AOC’s please.
Oh, so we’re going for a 3rd Trump term then?
If you’re going to casually toss out statements like that, you might want to elaborate on your reasoning a bit.
America is too racist and bigoted as shown by the last 2 Trump wins
I hear you, and it’s a fair claim to make. But you can’t assume people will be able to fill in that gap accurately unless you say what you mean. Especially in an online, text-based forum that’s likely full of trolls and bots. That’s probably why you got downvoted to oblivion.
It’s not the end of the world
Did you completely forget about 2 terms with Obama? Turn your head sideways and let the bong resin flow out of your ear. It might take some time
OBAMA HAS A PENIS.
America is much more open to a black man with a penis as president than ANY woman. And that black man with a penis had to be the most intelligent, personable, and charismatic black person with a penis ever to get elected.
Run the same losing strategy that has lost the last two times we’ve tried it and we’ll lose again. Simple as that.
I forgot Obama was a woman and ran against Trump. Damn, I guess you’re right.
No, he had a black Muslim African father, an active campaign to paint him as not-American (with a heavy subtext of not-white), and the middle name Hussein when trying to succeed the War on Terror president. And Republicans (including Trump) tried their damnedest to make that define him. And then Democrats won a supermajority.
Obama had way more to overcome, but all that stuff is irrelevant if you have charisma and a popular platform.
Obama had way more to overcome
AOC is
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A woman.
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Not white.
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More left leaning than Obama. Centrists don’t like that.
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Younger than any other elected president ever.
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Is not quite as personable or charismatic as Obama. She can’t reach as many people.
She absolutely has more working against her than Obama. I don’t think you grasp just how many Americans simply won’t vote for a person with a vagina to be president. And in all the right geographical places to prevent it from happening.
None of that at all compares to being a black “non-American” “Muslim” post 9/11. And it’s irrelevant, because even thinking demographics is the guiding light for potential Democratic voters is just demonstrably untrue.
None of that matters if you’re charismatic and have a good platform that speaks to a brighter future. Those two traits are worlds more valuable than what all you hand wringers dredge up whenever the black man or the Hispanic woman start capturing people’s attention. We heard all the same things in 2008.
None of this is really about any of that, it’s all just #3. Obama and AOC both campaigned on moving left, so all the blather from centrists about civil rights and “the future is female” evaporates in an instant and they reveal they’re all just mini Steve Bannons looking for whatever naked bigotry they think can foreground to prevent progress.
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Did you mean to say “sexist” instead of “racist”?
Given the choice of a Nazi pedophile or … a woman, the former has proven to be the choice twice already.
History has proven again and again that the first woman to win will be a conservative. With more of the blue collar union guys starting to vote conservative, this becomes even more probable.
Even so, I really hope I can look on this comment 3 years now and be proved wrong.
the first woman to win will be a conservative
Sort of like how Colin Powell was our first black president?
These people proactively enforcing the preferences of bigots just act like Barrack Hussein Obama never existed.
I think there’s a real serious argument that “conservative” can mask “woman” or “minority” to counterweight nativist bigotry. And you might see this in politicians like Jodi Ernst or Sarah Palin or Dianne Feinstein or Kamala Harris even, where tacking to conservative rhetoric offsets the presumption that you’re a bunch of bra burning far left feminists.
But the idea that you can’t run as a conservative Democrat and win high office? Really requires you to just gouge out your eyes before glancing at any historical text. God forbid you lay eyes on a biography of Hillary Clinton.
Exactly what I’m saying, but you get upvotes and I get down votes
Hey man, just let people continue to vote on a strategy that keeps losing.
If we keep attempting a losing strategy, it’s bound to work eventually, right?
Fuck this noise stop pushing her for president. One she needs to push out Schumer and run for Senate. Second no way would she win the primary at this time. She will get the Bernie Sanders treatment and lastly against the current Trump administration to deal with in 2028? They would probably assassinate her before they let get anywhere near the white house.
Also I worry she would pull a Obama act and run progressive but turn to the right in the end.
I just have no faith in the DNC and believe we only going turn things around with revolution nothing else. Voting out fascism is not going happen.
They would probably assassinate her before they let get anywhere near the white house.
I believe this.
You are applying the corruption of past political dipshits to someone who has shown no indication at all to be corrupt. She has been extremely consistent, and you have no reason to believe that she will change.
Regardless she isn’t going get pass the primary if she runs.
They(MAGA adverts) giving her free publicity here as a radical leftist (along with Bernie.)
I primaried for Bernie. AOC would get my vote.
I voted for Bernie twice, donated and door knocked. I will do the same for her, but the results will be the same unfortunately the DNC is captured.
I remain hopeful of a progressive resurgence.
Gerrymandering can become dummymandering if they spread the red too thin.
Hopefully it won’t be excessively bloody, but they seem to already be onboard with that. So it’ll probably become necessary.
I actually agree. I think she should openly challenge Schmuck for his seat, and make him fight for it, or quit. Then go to work in the Senate, destroying any attempted MAGA SCOTUS or Cabinet appointments.
Tear up the Senate for a term or two, and then start looking at a presidential run, or a Cabinet post, depending on the timing, then a presidential run.
Or just stay in the Senate, and run your own joint. It’s a whole separate branch, after all, equal to the president. It would be good to have someone running it who isn’t afraid to remind them of that.
She’s smart enough to navigate a track like that.
That what I believe too.
I think she’ll make a great president someday, but let her get some deep experience first.
Absolutely! Me too.
How them boots taste?
op is literally doing the opposite of licking boots, do you actually know what youre talking about?
Yeah some dumbfuck said he didn’t trust her, or democrats, either a bot or maga
are you still stick on red v blue?
how them boots taste?
Also I worry she would pull a Obama act and run progressive but turn to the right in the end
I’ve never seen any indication suggesting that would be the case. In fact, I think if she had some weight behind her, she’d be likely to go more to the left.
This whole post is politically incoherent. She’s both too radical to win/survive and a secret moderate, while electoral politics is both a waste of time and it’s her duty to challenge Chuck Schumer.
too radical to win/survive
This sounds like the attitude that is turning a lot of people off the democratic party lately. The US political right might brand her radical, but a lot of what she advocates for is just common sense and how first world countries work.
A lot of people would also argue that the time for a moderate approach is over.
I’ll admit I’m not an expert on AOC’s entire political career, but I have read that her legislative achievement aren’t very impressive. Perhaps her place should be in the public focus, pushing policies and initiatives, while others might be better suited to the legislative positions to support what she’s publicly advocating for.
Literally no one’s legislative achievements are impressive. Being able to pass anything either requires a large majority and a full party effort or for it to be a non-controversial bipartisan bill. It’s not a body where individual lawmakers make legislative achievements.
Perhaps her place should be in the public focus, pushing policies and initiatives, while others might be better suited to the legislative positions to support what she’s publicly advocating for.
Like as president?
Like as president?
Yes. That’s exactly what I meant.
She’s both too radical to win/survive
Right wing blue conservatives that dominate th3 democratic party
and a secret moderate
Leftist’s correct take. Its not a secret, her voting record is public.
Its almost like different people will have different opinions while commenting in one thread. Not everyone is a bot thats here to Correct The Record.
How?
If you actually believe she’ll win I have another bridge to sell you
Knowing the DNC, you’ll end up again with Biden
Hey, don’t use reality to bring people down while they’re supporting the same strategy that keeps resulting in a loss.
They apparently don’t actually like winning elections, just pretending that they will until being crushed and losing their rights and watching their economy burn. Just let them have their fantasy moment.
fuck off with that negativity
Because toxic positivity has been working so well the past ten years
What positivity is that exactly?
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Continuing to run highly qualified women for president in a nation that doesn’t elect women as president.
They’re not even in the U.S. they’re just here to talk shit and disenfranchise people.
Maybe y’all should listen. Just cuz you’re part of the half of Americans that can read above the 6th grade level doesn’t mean you’re not completely inundated with the group think that’s gotten y’all to where you are.
Regardless, there are multiple valid counter arguments to an AOC 2028 run. I’d say ignore them at your own peril but the USA is causing global harm right now. So like it or not non-american opinions actually do matter. Lord knows the rest of the world wishes we weren’t stuck in the same boat with you.
Reality isn’t negativity. It’s just reality. Sometimes it’s negative, but it’s not negativity.
Women don’t win the presidency in America.
Fact.
Want to keep losing? Keep betting on a losing strategy.
Are you advocating for people to stop voting for the democratic party?
Your grasp of reality is tenuous at best.
It’s true though. The oligarchs don’t want people like her.
How many women has US voted for? How many latinas?
the Venn diagram is 0.
Yeah, the US would never elect a black man…
If she throws her hat into the ring I fully expect the DNC to sabotage her at every opportunity.
Meanwhile, we all want AOC and Bernie. If Bernie wants to VP, I’m all in.
He’s too old.
Yeah, just let him be VP for as long as he is useful. If hr wants, I’d vote. But better someone else like AOC who can look out for the present and future of our country. There have to be others like Bernie who can do good for us and not start wars.
He can be in the cabinet, but he’s too old to even be the VP.
i dont care about his age, but his position on Palestine has always been weak and shameful. im not an AOC head, but im hoping for her at this point too.
I’d also vote for Bernie (VP or Pres.), still. But, I think there are younger progressives that could fill the role quite well.
I’d even take someone more centrist for the VP role, since that might make it easier for them to attract (Super)PAC monies.
Yeah, there has to be someone out there who is presidential grade and not a total asshole or a party bitch. You know like “we’ll raise your taxes to build schools, but we’ll raise them triple to billionaires” vs “what schools? You look Hispanic we’ll send you to Honduras but after a 3 year sentence”.
In this moment, any candidate who receives super PAC funding from corporations or Israel is a bad candidate.
Centrism is dead. The right is dying. This is a time for moving towards socialism.
We are still a FPtP system, you don’t get to write off the majority, if you want to gain political power through elections. Right+Center > 50% of electorate.
Taking resources away from “bad” organizations, and using them for the socialist project is a good thing. The trick is not given them (as much) value in return.
Right+Center > 50% of electorate.
You’re wrong, but of course you’re welcome to your opinions.
Wow, what a surprise, someone who believes that two party politics is representative of the left/right of politics is wrong about things.
They will destroy her, she’s worse than Bernie because she’s not in her 80s, so they will sabotage her in every way possible. It’s almost as if their entire scam depends on it keeping people like her out of office. They will at least be sure to keep her out of any leadership role.
I’d love to be wrong, as an Independent I will vote for her over any other person serving in office now. At least she’s held an actual job.
The Democratic party is a private institution and won’t be swayed by anything as silly as votes.
It isn’t because she isn’t in her 80s, it’s because she poses the mildest possible threat to entrenched ruling class interests who own and control the entire media landscape, from CBS to CNN to Twitter to TikTok.
The wealthy ruling class would rather move towards fascism than socialism because fascism benefits the ruling class and socialism is a step towards dismantling the ruling class.
I am so tired of elections being between corporations and oligarchs. Its not better just because it has a PR campaign behind it for a board rather than an individual who is wealthy. It only ever works for the wealthy.
They’ll play nice and keep it on the down low and then pull some Obaman, secret, backroom Super-Tuesday fuckery to steal the momentum and likely nomination from
SandersAOC and give it to a center-right, corporatist shill like Buttgiggle or Shamala.One party state where everyone has to get through the republican primaries? Big problem!
Two party state where everyone reasonable has to get through democratic primaries? Totally cool, totally legal.
Super excited to watch the blue conservatives show us how to really get that incremental change when there is a one party system. Ready to take notes!
Jefferies will never recover from the AIPAC Shakur nickname. Absolutely wrecked him.
