Many believe Harris lost in 2024 because voters viewed her as too progressive
What are they talking about
Good, carry on AOC!
Part of me hates to see her try. As long as she is straddling the line between serious presidential candidate and popular US House member my head cannon reasons there is still some sanity in some small part of our political institutions.
Watching her actually seriously try to get the top job and watching the DNC ruin her for it would be so depressing.
Bernie 2.0 incoming, who’s ready for Gavin Newsom to be president?
genuinely she’s the only worthwhile candidate I can imagine. I really hope she does it.
Well her or Bernie. But… you know, age and all.
I’d still vote for Bernie, but I don’t think he wants to run again. I’d also vote for Sen. Warren.
I generally don’t (think I) vote based on demographics. I am more interested in platform (primarily) and past performance (secondarily).
Yeah no one would vote for an old guy
He was pushing it the last time he ran
I agree but I heard him in a recent interview and man is it wild how much sharper he is than Biden and Trump
Fingers crossed that this won’t turn into a Bernie situation. If we get past the primaries, fingers crossed this won’t turn into a Obama/Fetterman situation.
Oh, so we’re going for a 3rd Trump term then?
If you’re going to casually toss out statements like that, you might want to elaborate on your reasoning a bit.
America is too racist and bigoted as shown by the last 2 Trump wins
I hear you, and it’s a fair claim to make. But you can’t assume people will be able to fill in that gap accurately unless you say what you mean. Especially in an online, text-based forum that’s likely full of trolls and bots. That’s probably why you got downvoted to oblivion.
It’s not the end of the world
Did you completely forget about 2 terms with Obama? Turn your head sideways and let the bong resin flow out of your ear. It might take some time
OBAMA HAS A PENIS.
America is much more open to a black man with a penis as president than ANY woman. And that black man with a penis had to be the most intelligent, personable, and charismatic black person with a penis ever to get elected.
Run the same losing strategy that has lost the last two times we’ve tried it and we’ll lose again. Simple as that.
I forgot Obama was a woman and ran against Trump. Damn, I guess you’re right.
Did you mean to say “sexist” instead of “racist”?
No, he had a black Muslim African father, an active campaign to paint him as not-American (with a heavy subtext of not-white), and the middle name Hussein when trying to succeed the War on Terror president. And Republicans (including Trump) tried their damnedest to make that define him. And then Democrats won a supermajority.
Obama had way more to overcome, but all that stuff is irrelevant if you have charisma and a popular platform.
Obama had way more to overcome
AOC is
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A woman.
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Not white.
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More left leaning than Obama. Centrists don’t like that.
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Younger than any other elected president ever.
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Is not quite as personable or charismatic as Obama. She can’t reach as many people.
She absolutely has more working against her than Obama. I don’t think you grasp just how many Americans simply won’t vote for a person with a vagina to be president. And in all the right geographical places to prevent it from happening.
None of that at all compares to being a black “non-American” “Muslim” post 9/11. And it’s irrelevant, because even thinking demographics is the guiding light for potential Democratic voters is just demonstrably untrue.
None of that matters if you’re charismatic and have a good platform that speaks to a brighter future. Those two traits are worlds more valuable than what all you hand wringers dredge up whenever the black man or the Hispanic woman start capturing people’s attention. We heard all the same things in 2008.
None of this is really about any of that, it’s all just #3. Obama and AOC both campaigned on moving left, so all the blather from centrists about civil rights and “the future is female” evaporates in an instant and they reveal they’re all just mini Steve Bannons looking for whatever naked bigotry they think can foreground to prevent progress.
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Given the choice of a Nazi pedophile or … a woman, the former has proven to be the choice twice already.
Hey man, just let people continue to vote on a strategy that keeps losing.
If we keep attempting a losing strategy, it’s bound to work eventually, right?
Exactly what I’m saying, but you get upvotes and I get down votes
History has proven again and again that the first woman to win will be a conservative. With more of the blue collar union guys starting to vote conservative, this becomes even more probable.
Even so, I really hope I can look on this comment 3 years now and be proved wrong.
the first woman to win will be a conservative
Sort of like how Colin Powell was our first black president?
These people proactively enforcing the preferences of bigots just act like Barrack Hussein Obama never existed.
I think there’s a real serious argument that “conservative” can mask “woman” or “minority” to counterweight nativist bigotry. And you might see this in politicians like Jodi Ernst or Sarah Palin or Dianne Feinstein or Kamala Harris even, where tacking to conservative rhetoric offsets the presumption that you’re a bunch of bra burning far left feminists.
But the idea that you can’t run as a conservative Democrat and win high office? Really requires you to just gouge out your eyes before glancing at any historical text. God forbid you lay eyes on a biography of Hillary Clinton.
Fuck this noise stop pushing her for president. One she needs to push out Schumer and run for Senate. Second no way would she win the primary at this time. She will get the Bernie Sanders treatment and lastly against the current Trump administration to deal with in 2028? They would probably assassinate her before they let get anywhere near the white house.
Also I worry she would pull a Obama act and run progressive but turn to the right in the end.
I just have no faith in the DNC and believe we only going turn things around with revolution nothing else. Voting out fascism is not going happen.
Also I worry she would pull a Obama act and run progressive but turn to the right in the end
I’ve never seen any indication suggesting that would be the case. In fact, I think if she had some weight behind her, she’d be likely to go more to the left.
This whole post is politically incoherent. She’s both too radical to win/survive and a secret moderate, while electoral politics is both a waste of time and it’s her duty to challenge Chuck Schumer.
She’s both too radical to win/survive
Right wing blue conservatives that dominate th3 democratic party
and a secret moderate
Leftist’s correct take. Its not a secret, her voting record is public.
Its almost like different people will have different opinions while commenting in one thread. Not everyone is a bot thats here to Correct The Record.
too radical to win/survive
This sounds like the attitude that is turning a lot of people off the democratic party lately. The US political right might brand her radical, but a lot of what she advocates for is just common sense and how first world countries work.
A lot of people would also argue that the time for a moderate approach is over.
I’ll admit I’m not an expert on AOC’s entire political career, but I have read that her legislative achievement aren’t very impressive. Perhaps her place should be in the public focus, pushing policies and initiatives, while others might be better suited to the legislative positions to support what she’s publicly advocating for.
Literally no one’s legislative achievements are impressive. Being able to pass anything either requires a large majority and a full party effort or for it to be a non-controversial bipartisan bill. It’s not a body where individual lawmakers make legislative achievements.
Perhaps her place should be in the public focus, pushing policies and initiatives, while others might be better suited to the legislative positions to support what she’s publicly advocating for.
Like as president?
Like as president?
Yes. That’s exactly what I meant.
They would probably assassinate her before they let get anywhere near the white house.
I believe this.
How them boots taste?
op is literally doing the opposite of licking boots, do you actually know what youre talking about?
Yeah some dumbfuck said he didn’t trust her, or democrats, either a bot or maga
are you still stick on red v blue?
how them boots taste?
You are applying the corruption of past political dipshits to someone who has shown no indication at all to be corrupt. She has been extremely consistent, and you have no reason to believe that she will change.
Regardless she isn’t going get pass the primary if she runs.
They(MAGA adverts) giving her free publicity here as a radical leftist (along with Bernie.)
I primaried for Bernie. AOC would get my vote.
I voted for Bernie twice, donated and door knocked. I will do the same for her, but the results will be the same unfortunately the DNC is captured.
I remain hopeful of a progressive resurgence.
Gerrymandering can become dummymandering if they spread the red too thin.
Hopefully it won’t be excessively bloody, but they seem to already be onboard with that. So it’ll probably become necessary.
I actually agree. I think she should openly challenge Schmuck for his seat, and make him fight for it, or quit. Then go to work in the Senate, destroying any attempted MAGA SCOTUS or Cabinet appointments.
Tear up the Senate for a term or two, and then start looking at a presidential run, or a Cabinet post, depending on the timing, then a presidential run.
Or just stay in the Senate, and run your own joint. It’s a whole separate branch, after all, equal to the president. It would be good to have someone running it who isn’t afraid to remind them of that.
She’s smart enough to navigate a track like that.
That what I believe too.
I think she’ll make a great president someday, but let her get some deep experience first.
Absolutely! Me too.
Nate Silver endorsed this polling in 2024? That makes me trust it LESS not more 😭
Less terrible than Trump. Still, Republican policies under a different cloak. We need more Mamdani style people in the mix.
THERE IS ANOTHER ELECTION BEFORE THAT.
It’s two years away. It’s not even the next election! And this is all presuming that there even is another election, which is far from given.
There is absolutely nothing you can say about a hypothetic 2028 election in 2026.
She’s not even running.
There is absolutely nothing you can say about a hypothetic 2028 election in 2026.
Speculation on the 2028 presidential race began five minutes after the 2024 polls closed.
The Forever Campaign is much like the Forever War, in so far as it is a suffocating political miasma that strangles any other conversation.
It’s just a buzzworthy headline, just for people to click so they can get more ad revenue.
So what? There’s nothing new about presidential primary discussions in a midterm year. I’ve been following politics for thirty years and the speculation always starts around this time.
And there’s nothing wrong with it tbh. The candidates have to start preparing now. That’s just how the primaries work.
What are you talking about? The headline clearly says she’s winning the election.
They run polls on potential 2028 primary candidates all the time. This was the first one AOC has led in. It is notable.
The point of these polls isn’t to predict who the Democratic candidate for president will be in 2028. The point is to gauge what the Democratic primary electorate is currently feeling/prioritizing. They’re moving away from “just give me a safe white guy who can win the general” and toward “give me the most progressive one you got.”
AOC hasn’t even said what role she’ll be putting her name in for in 2028 yet, has she?
No one on the list has.
How?
The DNC is not gonna be happy about this… 😆
Fuck the DNC man. Fire the establishment. Get progressive blood in there
They weren’t happy about Bernie and look at the fucking mess they caused.
They’re gonna have a harder time painting all progressives as sexists and racists when we’re going apeshit over AOC. I like her even more than Sanders.
It’s well past time to ride roughshod over them.
If I can humbly suggest another solution . . .
Sure they will be. They’ll look at the poll results, throw them in the garbage, and run Newsom like they were already planning to
And then: OH noes! Democracy is in danger. Give us $10.
And then: OH noes! Democracy is in danger. Give us $10.
And then they get $1.5b+ again and lose again or at best scrape a narrow win against either Trump, Vance, or another profoundly incompetent and obviously malicious candidate.
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The DNC is currently up shit creek. Many other major Democratic organizations are out fundraising them by a wide margin. Many “true blue” Democrats are pissed as hell at DNC leadership and how utterly spineless and opaque they’re being. I don’t think we’re going into this next election cycle with a DNC that’s powerful enough to thumb the scales in that way
They are protecting the Epstein class
I.E. protecting themselves.
God if she had a chance.
She does have a chance. Progressives are actually winning primaries now. People are sick of choosing between psycho magats and backstabbing “moderates”
They’re going to love having a fresh face to attract people to the party, donate lots of time and money, and stick around to get scolded with “Vote Blue No Matter Who” when progressives are rug pulled in Iowa and New Hampshire.
“Vote Blue No Matter Who”
I thought this was over after the DNC ran a spoiler candidate in the NYC mayoral race.
No. Quit running women. Im sorry, but it just is not time. They are only putting women candidates up to give Republicans easy wins. FFS Biden beat Trump … BIDEN, who is pretty much just a Republican himself.
Democrats want the immigrant vote, but the Hispanics mostly voted Trump because of abortion (Catholics) and because they did not want to vote for a woman.
AOC would be a decent Potus … but it is unlikely she could win, if she does win it will be a close one. The Republicans could run a woman and win … but I doubt dems can.
Lmao Kamala lost because all of the people who’d normally vote for a democratic woman where put off by a wishy-washy, genocide defending, hard-on-crime neolib.
No one wants neoliberalism, and if you want socialism to take its place instead of fascism, neolibs need to get the fuck out of the way.
No one wants neoliberalism,
Nobody on Lemmy wants neoliberalism. Maybe try leaving your house for once and talking to people in real life.
Yeah most of them are either buying into righ-wing grifters or starting to lean into socialist tendencies, wishing for things like free healthcare and even ubi.
Why did the other woman also lose against the felon rapist pedophile insurrectionist low IQ loud mouth dipshit?
I guess anything to avoid accepting that women can’t win the presidency in the U.S.
Fuck it, let’s keep running a losing strategy. Everyone knows the more you run a losing strategy, the more likely it is to work.
Neoliberalism is the losing strategy. No one willing to vote for a woman wants to vote for neoliberal.
The terrible shit trump and his cronies do have been happening “under the nose” of neoliberalism for decades.
I would know, I voted for her a month after my first dose of estrogen. Her losing completely fucking changed the trajectory of my transition. My vote was for my survival, and my survival alone. No one I know who voted for her did it because of a hard set belief in neoliberalism.
Tons of people who didn’t vote where pissed over her being an establishment neoliberal. No one wants more of the status qou anymore, its not fucking working.
Sorry. You’ll continue to be downvoted by people who want to continue losing by continuing to bet on a clearly losing strategy.
But they won’t admit it because their ideals are more important to them than accepting the reality they live in.
Imagine going to the track every week and placing a large bet on the same horse that loses every single time but you just keep betting on that horse. That’s who you’re dealing with here.
These same people are going to cry foul when Trump 3.0 or Trump Lite (Vance) wins in 2028.
