Get used to it. Disney is going to grind Star Wars into dust.
going to
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From what I understand, they truly do mean to make the lowest possible content money can buy, cram full of “fan recognizable moments” to make the most amount of money out of it as possible.
As in, that’s the goal, on purpose. Not as a “unintended side effect of us just being inept at making anything these days”. But just being VERY good at squeezing money from brands like Star Wars.
Just turning out slop. Easy. Comfy. Low content slop. And then sell stuffed Grogu’s. Andor was a fluke because the director was able to make something out of nothing. Without ever touching so much as “the force” or even a lightsaber!
We need more of that director.
Andor was a fluke because the director was able to make something out of nothing
I can’t be the only person who absolutely fucking hated Andor.
Hahaha, I can see it not being everyone’s cup o tea :-)
But my god did I like the writing and the levels upon levels of meaning crammed in there…
Just turning out slop. Easy. Comfy. Low content slop.
But it’s not even AI generated? 🤔
Turns out the slop was corporate shit all along.
Slop doesn’t have to be AI generated.
See for reference: most mobile games.
For some of us the ship has already sailed. Episode 8 fundamentally changed the way I think about Star Wars. Before that, I’d already come to the realization that, despite leaning SW in the Star Wars vs Star Trek rivalry, I actually liked ST better. But I still had a love for SW that meant I would be in the theatre to see whatever SW movie was there.
Ep 8 killed that. For the better IMO because it was a stupid obsession, even if it wasn’t as strong as it previously was.
I saw Ep 9 in the theatre, but it was more of a symbolic finishing what I started many years prior. My viewing was somehow full of contempt and there was much that fed it. I’ve watched a bit of the other stuff Disney has put out and it wasn’t bad like eps 8 and 9 were, but I just don’t care as much anymore.
Like I understand Andor was well done. I might get around to watching it eventually, but I’m in no rush.
Star Wars has gone from an automatic “yes!” to just another franchise, for me at least.
Casual fan, but star wars lost me at episode 2. The original trilogy are a big part of my childhood so I’d have seen the others but can’t sit through them. I genuinely like Mandy but lost interest after season 3 and I tried to watch the other shows but just… didn’t like them. I know some hardcore fans but even they lost it after the final couple of films
Episode 2 is the one where I had to tell myself that George Lucas just sucks at deep romance plots but that’s not why I was watching. Because yeah, those “romance” scenes were awkward af when they didn’t have action adding to the intensity. Plus Anakin was waving red flags right from Ep 2 and it took some suspension of disbelief to even accept them as a couple even before the dynamic caused by their age difference (and Anakin acting like a child because Padme treats him as a child) and somehow she ends up even more attracted to him?
But the overall plot was still coherent (though maybe I was more forgiving because I knew it had to check off certain boxes to fit and it did) and not just going for that reaction in a live audience sitcom when one of the main characters first enters the stage like Ep 7 (though it did have potential still IMO) or an “ok, I’ll make the next star wars movie, but I actually hate everything about star wars and want to show that through my Episode”, or “ah fuck, the last guy really made a mess out of this, can you fix it? Or just make something, anything to finish this trilogy and we’ll try to recover on other stories in the franchise”.
For the better IMO because it was a stupid obsession, even if it wasn’t as strong as it previously was.
- Jar Jar is the key to all this
George Lucas
Andor is overrated, I tuned out during the Heist Arc. 2 or 3 episodes of nothing but Rebels whining that Andor’s not one of the cool kids, then when the Heist actually happens we spend the first 1/3 of the episode marching… Andor was trash, the fact that people actually like it is a mystery that will forever baffle me.
Good, I hope it does terrible. The only way to get what you want out of a mega corp is by tanking their financials until they change.
Disney won’t change but I boycott them regardless.
I wonder why people are still watching this stuff. Maybe it is the crowd that wants to be able to say “I’ve seen all Star Wars movies” as the sole motivation.
Star Wars stopped being interesting a long time ago.
But they have the lovable glip-glorp, the kooky jazz bar and another death star to blow up.
In a galaxy far, far away.
And I fear that the lesson Hollywood will learn from this is that we don’t like Star Wars, rather than that we don’t like endless half-assed slop. Disclaimer: I have not seen this movie so I don’t know if it’s actually good.
But “endless half-assed slop” is the Official Motto of 2026!
CEO: Just produce double the half-ass and we’ll have whole asses!
Artists: But it’s still slop.
CEO: Wow, whole ass…
Artist: Seriously, fuck this guy.
Star Wars has been “half-assed slop” for 49 years. Some of its better than others, but the there’s plenty in the OT to hate on if you want to hate. I love it anyway.
The movie was good. As good as any compareable segment of the D+ show. See it in the theatre if you can afford to.
With the exception of Andor, which is one of the best shows of the last decade.
Andor is strong mid at best… it’s literally the exact same story as the first movies. So incredibly uncreative… still, miles better than all the other star wars crap from disney.
Surely you jest.
Season 2, episodes 7, 8, and 9 showcase some of the most compelling sequences on TV. Diego Luna, a man under enormous pressure ready to come apart at the seams, run by master manipulator Stellan Skarsgård. Andy Serkis. Forrest Whittaker. Empire baddies Denise Gough and Ben Mendelssohn. What about Genevieve O’Reilly as Mon Mothma, who gives a masterful portrayal of brittle grace over a thinly-veiled nervous breakdown?
There was very little room left in the storyline chronology for a third season, and I suppose I could just watch Rogue One yet again, but knowing that doesn’t ameliorate my disappointment that we don’t get any more Andor.
Andor stayed true to the original Star Wars ethos. Rogue One as well, aspects of Solo, and some elements of the Mandalorian. Best Star Wars offerings outside the original trilogy screenplays hands down. Fight me.
Don’t disagree with you
Best Star Wars offerings outside the original trilogy screenplays
Unfortunately, that still doesn’t make it better than strong mid
showcase some of the most compelling sequences on TV.
“Surely you jest”
Please go watch more TV
People downvoting you don’t seem to really know what’s good, this happens because they don’t think much and take for granted what’s good from others.
The recent Darth Maul animated show was pretty good as well
Snuck past the Disney execs somehow. Or else they said “y’know what let’s make one prestige show for the Emmy bait.”
I find most of the shows were good in their own way.
The Acolyte had some of the best lightsaber combat in a live action show or movie that I’ve seen.
Andor always felt like a series adapted for star wars it could have stood on it’s own
It benefits greatly by not being about the Jedi and the Force primarily.
In which case it’s a sci-fi universe that lets us combine space tech with 1970s and 80s aeethetics.
It benefits greatly by not being about the Jedi and the Force primarily
I cannot tell you how happy I was when Luthen turned out NOT to be a secret Jedi… omg that would have sucked if he pulled out a lightsaber at the end to save everyone
I didn’t even consider that scenario, it would have ruined the entire show for me, thank god they kept the kind of execs away from this show
I’ll second this. Andor is incredible.
I was irrationally angry when George sold his IP to the Mouse. The original trilogy and expanded universe from my childhood is still my Star Wars.
Disney was the wrong choice.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I’ll fight a bitch that claims anything other than Andor is the smartest and most watchable serialized offering on any streaming medium, with arguably the most compelling characters in the entire Star Wars arc outside of the original trilogy (hat tip to @furzegelo and @OldQwertybastard).
Thank you one and all; now I’m off to go assault dickhead @crt_alt_esc for not knowing his/her (meager and uninformed) place.
with arguably the most compelling characters in the entire Star Wars arc outside of the original trilogy
if you believe any of these shows have better characters than the original 6 star wars you are an idiot
Have you seen Andor?
I watched a random clip on youtube: a ship with lateral lightsabers cutting TIE fighters. I’m not watching more of it.
I don’t think that’s a good scene to judge it on, personally.
As someone who hates modern star wars, and only mildy enjoys the original trilogy, I thought Andor was extremely compelling, and some of the finest sci-fi, or fiction in general, that I’d ever seen (and I am very picky).
It is, in essence, a brilliantly written rendition of an oppressed people building an effective and realistically depicted underground resistance movement against a fascist regime which happens to be attached to the star wars IP (which it uses well, aesthetically). So more of a tightly written political/espionage thriller than it us traditional space opera.
The quality of the writing is far, far beyond any other star wars movie or show, going very much into the territory of Where Eagles Dare, The Godfather, or or 3 Days of The Condor. The dialog is excellent, the plots excellent, the pacing excellent, I have very few complaints.
I think the quality of it comes from the writer Tony Gilroy putting a tremendous amount of effort into researching historical revolutions and drawing from those, which makes it feel very grounded.
If you dislike modern star wars, I really implore you to give Andor a chance, it makes none of the mistakes of modern Disney star wars, in fact it could not be more different.
lol. Ok princess.
I must have struck a nerve implying that Jar Jar Binks might have less character depth than any of the Andor cast.
You know Jar Jar Binks. let’s see in 27 years from now how much of the Andor cast you remember.
Don’t know what was deleted there. But Darth Binks seems to evoke strong emotions in many.
Don’t know what was deleted there.
Ask the mods, they did it
There’s only 3 original star wars unless you’re counting the ewok movies and the holiday special. The prequels were twenty years later and are not original star wars.
The prequels are part of the original star wars (george lucas) saga
You’re just referring to when Lucas owned star wars?
I’ll second this. Andor is incredible.
Sounds like you have a poor definition of incredible. The original star wars saga is incredible, any disney spin off is shit.
Rogue One worked. But they got greedy.
Rogue One was leaps and bounds above the sequel trilogy but I would still say it’s not a great movie. Once it gets up to speed and the whole cast has been properly introduced, it’s fantastic, but it takes so much of the movie until it gets to that point. Even as a fan, the first half of the movie is a slog where the main character has very little agency or drive, and they’re basically just being brought along instead of driving the plot. It’s a movie that, in my opinion, starts poorly and ends amazingly.
As a lifelong Star Wars fan, I enjoyed it. I thought it was fun, the soundtrack was great, the environments were really detailed and cool. The writing was mediocre, but it’s for kids ultimately, so I don’t expect it to be super complex - and it was still better than the Super Mario Galaxy movie for sure. There are more adult-oriented Star Wars content like Andor which is also great, but the kid-friendly content is also good fun if you just accept that it’s content designed for kids!
As a massive long time fan, I’d say the issue is Star Wars was originally a post-war film, and it’s been deliberately held back from evolving to keep it recognizable. As a result, it doesn’t resonate with audiences the way it used to. It’s just not relevant any more. Andor was a great example of what they can do within the Star Wars galaxy to be relevant.
Going to the movies, in THIS economy?
We go once a year. We saw across the spiderverse in 2024, tron ares last year, will see the backrooms soon and the third spiderman next year. It’s not worth anymore. I had never seen an imax, so we saw tron in imax, was amazing. But not worth $80 for 2 adults and a child. And we brought our own snacks! I brought beef jerky, kiddo brought something, I don’t remember. Shared a drink.
We saw across the spiderverse in 2024
Is that “To Be Continued” ever going to be resolved?
Supposed to be next year. I didn’t see that coming, didn’t realize it had been 90 minutes and was like wtf!
June 2027 supposedly. Beyond the spiderverse.
Yeah. My son and I went to see Project Hail Mary in an IMAX theater. That was pretty awesome, and I think worth it. But honestly there just aren’t that many movies coming out these days that warrant making an occasion out of it. I’m more comfortable watching at home when it comes to streaming.
It’s ok once in awhile, but not regularly.
To watch a disney movie
I had no idea this was being made until just now
Why would I pay $100 to see this movie when I’ll get to see it in a few months with a Disney+ subscription?
Why would you pay for a Disney+ plus subscription when movies are free?
I’m not from the US, but the fuck you mean 100 dollars for a movie ticket?
Add popcorn and a friend, and you’re easily at $100. Movie theaters overcharge out the wazoo, it’s why I stopped going.
I went and saw it for $70 with myself and my three kids, plus popcorn and a drink. Unless you’re in a high cost of living place like New York City or San Fran, it’s not THAT bad. Not great, but not quite that bad.
In SF, on a matinee, $77 for the 3D IMAX. The movie was mid. If my son didn’t want to see it, I’d have waited for D+
Edit forgot to say, 2 adults, 2 kids. + Another $20 for Popcorn and an icee for the kids to split
Well that checks out for San Fran. That city is expensive as fuck. I don’t know how anybody affords to live there, but I’m glad you’re making it work.
Getting a friend for $100 doesn’t sound too bad. Do you have to give them back at the end of the movie was it more rental agreement?
my local threater its 35 dollars for a single adult ticket, popcorn is 22 dollars for a medium, and a soda costs 18 dollars for a medium.
After taxes your looking at like 85-90 bucks. And heaven HELP you if you want anything else!
My theater is $7 for a matinee showing of this movie, $16 for an evening showing.
$10 for unlimited popcorn, $6 for unlimited drink (based on someone uploading the menu, the website doesn’t show prices for food…) Looks to be about $17 for a burger and fries…
And this is one of the more nicer theaters with the nice seating, tables, and waitstaff…
It’s a bit pricey, but more like a third of what you are saying your theater does…
You’re still playing the game and losing lmao.
This correct answer is why would I pay $13 to see Disney slop that even an ad spam page will have reuploaded in 1080p the moment it goes love on streaming.
Although for me it would be why would I waste storage space to download a 4k webrip of Disney slop lol.
Never even heard that this was a thing.
No wonder people aren’t going to see it.I just assumed it was a streaming movie. Basically just a long episode.
It is. But for some reason they released it in cinemas.
The reason is money.
Well, that didn’t work out.
It did it’s job. Line went up.
A big part of line go up logic is that if you don’t have the optimal line uppies per dollar, you’ve failed. It’s the reason why they tend to not do smaller projects, because $5 that returned $10 on something small is not as good as $5 that returned $20 on something big. So by their metrics, if you don’t have the maximum possible line uppies per dollar, you’ve failed.
It’s their own fault. They haven’t had a Christmas Special for ages.
Honestly, they should buy, and then run, the Rifftrax version of the Christmas Special. One of the funniest damn things I’ve ever seen. It deserves becoming a midnight special type of movie…
I’d like to see it, but I think it’ll be just fine on my TV at home. It’ll probably be streaming in no time.
I love the theater experience, but it’s too expensive right now.
I went and saw it in theaters. It was pretty good. Not earth shattering, but it just basically felt like a really long episode of the show.
Also, Zeb from Rebels was pretty prominent and I’m a sucker for Rebels characters.
Did it feature ya boi and kiwi legend Temuera Morrison?
Sadly, no Morrison appearance in this movie. Would have been cool to have Wrex show up or something and have him play him in live action.
This is the movie equivalent of “this meeting could have been an email”.
it wasn’t bad. but felt like it should have been a whole 5 episode season than a movie.
I don’t know who started this trend to change before release a series to a movie or a movie to a series but it’s probably already time to stop
Not sure if it’s a trend, but that happened to Moana 2.
Weird, what company made this Moana 2 you speak of?
Read all the comments up to this point. I just wanted to let ya’ll know that this is the post that made me realize Lemmy feels like Reddit did just before I left it. GG.
If you have problems with people everywhere you go…
Sorry you liked a movie we all didn’t care about, bro. Maybe you should overreact about it, perhaps cope a little before breakfast
Do you get upset whenever someone doesn’t agree with you?
Ok, bye
How so?
Been that way from the beginning. I treat it more like YouTube… It’s fine until you read the comment section.
I saw it with my son. I even got an expensive popcorn bucket too. For me it was an event. I don’t see many movies in theaters anymore. It has been almost a year since my last movie. So for me to have that experience with my son I thought the expense was worth it
The movie was mid. It was fun at some points. It did not get me angry like previous sequel movies. However there was nothing that made me think this belongs in theaters. It did feel like an extended Mando episode. Sadly I have that theme song stuck in my head even a day after.
If it comes out on blu-ray I’ll get it. It will make a fine addition to my collection.
Yep. It was an extra-long Mandalorian episode. Fun, but nothing about it needed to be made into a feature length film.
And this is what they picked to play it safe.
Maybe they should stop playing it safe.
Lots of good movies still come out each year, if you expand your range beyond popcorn flicks and go during off peak hours then you don’t have to treat the outing as a rare event
I thought it was fun. It wasn’t earth shattering but it had a lot of the elements of Star Wars. It didn’t dwell much on the original movies which is good…there are a lot of stories to be told.
How does it compare to episode 7-9 in your opinion?
7-9 was also fun, but focused on expanding the original storyline. That wasn’t needed.
It kinda doesn’t. The scope of the story is small and it’s geared towards a younger audience. Also, everything is CGI. Other than Mando, I don’t recall another human actor (besides stormtroopers) with more than about 3 minutes of screen time.
While that feels very Star Wars Galaxy, I think the movie suffers for it. That being said, it was pretty funny in parts.
Comparing to 7-9 is unfair because other than a few signature pieces, it’s a completely different kind of movie. There is no heroes journey. No one is changed or evolves. There is no compelling mystery to solve. And the scale of spectacle can’t begin to compare to a main saga movie.
My favorite sequel is TLJ and I’d say M&G is most like that in tone (smaller scale, more personal scope, humor) but also it’s just a very different movie.
Also, everything is CGI.
It isn’t, they did a shitload of stopmotion for all the monsters.
I think the huts are CGI, but there’s an entire arc of the story that looked like stop-motion and puppets. (It was cute and fun.)
I felt it was the second best Disney Star Wars movie, after rogue one.
