$me = "🧍"; $stillMe = & $me; unset($me); print($stillMe); // wohoo, teleportation rocks!!! $me = "🧍"; $copyOfMe = $me; unset($me); // 💀 this sucks!!! print($copyOfMe); // wait, what happened?the reference never changed position in memory, so nothing actually happened during the teleportation process other than a re-labelling.
For real teleportation, that memory has to physically change position. I would do it gradually though, bit-by-bit, synchronized, and very fast.
The idea is that if you slow it down, you witness half-yourself getting destroyed exactly as you witness your other half getting created, with the only carry-over being a single 1 or a 0
So teleportation is like going into the woodchipper feet first? Ok, now I slowly understand McCoys problems with that invention.
Arent we kinda new every micromoment? I mean, the electrons powering our feelings and deeds are new every moment in time. The atoms we are made of are exchanged over time so we arent even the same matter after x many years… So we are never who we were before. Dying seems to be a part of living, not just the end…
Edit: even the Information saved in our bain change over time, they get more. And remembering things isnt correct every time so even the quality of information changes…
Whew. So that wasn’t me on video last night. 😉
The crimes of Theseus
beat me to it
Never bought into the whole, “sleep is the same thing,” argument. There’s no period during which your brain functions cease during sleep. They slow during non-REM sleep, then reach near waking levels once you enter REM, but they never end. That’s not remotely like having your entire body disassembled at molecular level and rebuilt somewhere else. One is essentially like a computer that’s screen has gone idle while it performs background tasks. The other is like transferring all of your files to a new computer and then throwing the original into a woodchipper.
Conciousness, what makes you, you, is not your brain functions. A “braindead” person usually still has a functioning part of the brain that regulates heartbeat. But the parts that are required for conciousness are gone.
The point behind the sleep analogy isn’t that everything shuts down as in death, but your conciousness shuts down. It’s more like a computer that has suspended it’s processes to disk (aka hibernated) but then went into low-power mode instead of powering off completely. You can wake it back up and it restart these processes. You could even buy a new computer identical to the old one, copy the hard drive over bit by bit and have the new computer launch all the old processes. Are they then the same processes or different ones? A calculation that was suspended will pick up where it left of after all.
Soo… Did i just spent 10min opening each image on a new tab, zooming in, reading it, while on toilet, for nothing? This has to be one of the most underwhelming stories out there
I did the same, but came to a different conclusion.
The idea that you’re tethered to your future self by imagination, and it to you by mere memory is a profound one.
It solidifies slightly better the idea that you should do right to yourself if you believe in doing right to others.
Your comment is deeper than the comics above; but I still have no idea how you came to that analysis
"the prestige: intensifies
what is this prestige that everyone keeps talking about?
The Prestige is a movie where Wolverine and Batman fight in a battle of who is the best magician. David Bowie makes a teleportation machine for Logan to teleport across the entire theater to the shock of the audience.
Tap for spoiler
But we learn that the machine is not a teleporter, but a distance copier–the original Logan still remains on the pad while his copy stands across the expanse, beaming triumphantly down on the amazed audience. Logan rigs a trap door for his original self to fall through and drown every night, and every night, he never knows if he will be the one to die or the one to live.
Reading this was better than the actual movie.
But the movie also has Alfred!
And Black Widow.
She’s listed but I can’t for the life of me remember what she was doing in the movie.
But I definitely remember Lo Pan!
And what was Gollum doing?
She was…
Spoiler
Drowning, mostly.
I think Andy was Ziggy Stardust’s little helper.
Oh, yeah, dang… I forgot about that.
Watch it without spoilers right now, the one with Bowie
Reminds me of the one-minute time machine
Star Trek transporters.
Explicitly don’t work like that, the Transporter Problem Thought Experiment was “what if they worked like that”
But in Star Trek it’s a streaming connection, kept in the Transporter Buffer
Ok, then explain Thomas Riker
Transporter Buffer Error caused by trying to do a workaround for inability to get a lock on due to interference.
An unusual distortion field meant the Potemkin had difficulty beaming him up. A second confinement beam was initiated to overcome these difficulties, with the intent of reintegrating the two beams in the transporter buffer. This was unnecessary, as only one beam was successful at transporting Riker; the modulation of the distortion caused the second beam to be reflected back down to the surface, materializing the two Rikers, one on the ship, and one on the planet’s surface.
If the transporter is actually moving matter from one place to another, instead of (destructively) recording a pattern then copying it, then how could there be enough original matter to create two Rikers?
That’s fully never explained tbh
Time to post the first Existential Comics again
More like brainuppercut. Goddamn. Thankyou.
my personal opinion is that instant (i.e. arbitrarily close to speed of light) teleportation machines could be built in theory, but doing so is really expensive and there’s just no economical reason to do so.
for example, for fast travel, we already have aircraft and rockets. Yet nobody would use them to ship objects produced in china to europe, e.g. cars, if there’s no time-critical component (i.e. food that spoils very quickly etc.). So the fastest way of travel is typically also the most expensive one, while cheaper modes of transport take more time.
Then, you can think of a teleportation device as a mode of transport where the speed approaches the speed of light. If our previous experience is anything to go by, that means that the cost of transport would increase enormously, and thus practically nobody would use it anyways. So that’s the practical side to this thing.
My theory is that the being who created the totems is borrowing the power of each soul’s death and using that to recreate their body on the other side. There must be some minor difference in power that this being collects for itself. Even a small difference would be worth it at scale.
Atomic teleportation where a pattern or parts are converted or reassembled = death
Quantum teleportation where particles exist in multiple locations states before collapsing into one… not so sure.
People are too dumb to get this reference.
Guess you could say it screws with them.
That is one theory of how teleportation will work. Otherwise, you have a replication machine.
Star Trek has multiple stories about people being accidentally cloned by the transporter.
Which implies it is creating a copy.
Which implies it is destroying the original.
In the TNG episode Lonely Among Us, while under the influence of an alien entity, Picard disintegrates himself into a nebula. The crew spend hours trying to get him back and are about to give up, when Troi senses Picard’s disembodied presence nearby, and they are able to reconstitute his body from the transporter buffer, reuniting it with his mental energy.
So Star Trek has effectively confirmed the scientific existence of the soul, and the fact that it exists independently of the body, and that the soul can continue to exist without the body, and that the transporter can transport the soul without destroying it. So, no, the transporter is not a suicide machine.
has effectively confirmed the scientific existence of the soul
Not at all, it’s fiction.
Yes, they confirmed the objective existence of the soul within the context of their fictional universe, alongside faster than light travel, time travel, accessible parallel universes, stable wormholes, hand-held weapons that can vaporize a human being, and artificial general intelligence.
On the scale of science fiction hardness, Star Trek is somewhere between warm jello and cotton candy.
Ironically, Star Trek is considered “hard sci-fi”, even if there are other shows/books that are harder. The hardness of science fiction isn’t related to how plausible the science backing it is, but how much effort the story puts into explaining the “science”, and how internally consistent that explanation is. Trek spends a fair amount of effort into technobabble, and had dedicated technobabble writers whose job was to try to maintain consistency with those explanations.
Compare this with something like Star Wars (the movies, not third party novels), where nearly zero effort is put into explaining how magical Force powers work or why laser swords have a fixed length.
Hard sci-fi says “this is how this works”, even if it’s complete bullshit. Soft sci-fi says “just accept that these things work, so we can use them as plot devices”.
Star Wars is off the scale, it’s not sci-fi at all (There’s no “sci” part in it).
It’s fantasy.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/MediaNotes/MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness
On a 1 - 6 scale, Star Trek scores 2, squishy soft.
Hard sci-fi says “this is how this works”, even if it’s complete bullshit.
First time ever hearing that explanation, doubt many people share that view.
That’s a nice list…
Ah, in-universe.
hand-held weapons that can vaporize a human being
About that, the US military did experiments with powerful lasers in 2000. The result:
- first few milliseconds create a superficial wound
- spark of hurt paralyzes the target
- vaporized mass creates a charged plasma, that shields against further shots
- longer pulsing frequencies literally eat through the target (ablative)
- explosive pulses (more powaar) are less effective
This one i think?Woah, a epstein hijack on Archive? And no pdf upload…
- first few milliseconds create a superficial wound
scientifictionic*
TL;DR, they cheat by having magic Philantery’s in StarCraft, however…
…this means all the clone bodies are the real him, and share a soul, and feel everything at the same time?
Star Trek transporters imply a lot of stuff, many of them contradictory.
Ah, and also one where it got wrong.
Would be a cool way to discourage fast travel.
Shades of The Prestige?
In fairness to Mr Tesla, his machine didn’t kill. It made a perfect living duplicate. (The magician on the other hand…)
bro could have stopped at one copy and taken turns bowing like his nemisis did, but chose to die instead
Unreadable quality
That’s a problem with infosec.pub instance, not with the post.
Well you are actually right …
Try this:
![[Repost of the comic from OP]](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3da386f9-dfba-4bee-96a0-093e0e790386.jpeg)
(I just opened the image in a separate browser)
bad taste in decoration, i guess. lmao
