I lost about 100lbs on a prescription similar to ozempic. The world is much kinder to me now. I got a promotion, more hours working, society is friendlier and kinder. I would recommend anyone considering it talk to their doctor.
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I dunno, I think the tides of public opinion are shifting on ozempic. Mostly because of how absolutely awful being fat is on your body. Though, where it’s priced now it’s going to remain a designer drug for vain, rich assholes with a touch of sour grapes for everyone else.
In my own opinion I wouldn’t even put it in the same category as those others.
A healthy body needs fat. As long as you are healthy, you can have fat. The amount and thresholds can vary strongly from person to person.
I’d bet the comment was referring to obesity and not just a healthy amount of fat
Apparently you’re right. I misunderstood it a bit.
hey just wanted to say - thanks for admitting you misunderstood something. such a rare sight on the internet
I agree, but if we look at the CDC: Percent of adults age 20 and older with overweight, including obesity: 72.4% (August 2021-August 2023)
72 point freakin’ 4 percent.
With numbers like that, obesity is more like an epedemic and ozempic is a potential treatment.
Trü.
I guess I stumbled upon the wording “how awful being fat is on your body”.
Ozempic causes GI issues, such as paralysis, and numerous other issues like fatigue and depression because starving yourself isn’t healthy. Just exercise and eat a better diet. Exercise is so good for you that fat people who exercise are actually healthier than people of a healthy weight who are sedentary. No fucking way would I ever go on a weight loss drug.
I’m not sure where you read that, but as far as I know it doesn’t cause people to starve themselves. It suppresses hunger so they eat a normal amount of food in an era where calorie-dense, hyperpalatable food is the norm.
Diet and exercise is the gold standard, but some people just can’t regulate their diet for whatever reason. Be it discipline or genetics. Ultimately though it doesn’t matter because the bottom line is a staggering amount of people are at an unhealthy weight.
Being overweight is so bad for your health that known side effects of a drug like ozempic are negligible in comparison. The ones we know about, anyway.
I didn’t read it. I had a doctor tell that to me.
Doctors say all sorts of things.
The fundamental premise of prescribing medication is that the best medication is no medication.
Like if someone’s depressed, they should try talking it out before taking anti-depressants.
Once you accept that premise then the doctor’s job is to motivate people to try talking to a friend, or exercising, before prescribing any medication.
“A person who’s feeling sad is much more likely to make a full recovery just talking to a friend a few times a week than someone who starts anti-depressants”
That doesn’t mean that anti-depressants aren’t appropriate for someone who’s really going through it and has exhausted other forms of therapy.
I’m honestly just waiting to see what kind of new side-effects gets listed in the next 5-10 years with these weightloss drugs. I wouldn’t risk anything with this level new medicine, and I’m struggling with losing weight right now.
If you can’t accept how beautiful you are, the way you are, doing stuff in your face won’t change it either.
The wrost part is the internet and the Barbie effect, that brainwashes women, same as politics, because she did, you have to do it or follow the trend.
Let me tell you what: you are amazing the way you are, you look different, you look beautiful!Social media is brain poison. That’s why, that’s the reason.
Yesterday I saw Disclosure Day and the stiff and botched face of the actress was so off putting
I get scared of the botox faces, both seen from a screen and IRL. They speak, but face doesn’t move. No emotions. It’s just unsettling. And it’s hard to take the person seriously, even if they were smart.
Often it looks like that the person would be very pretty, definitely not a mirror breaker, under it all. Even makeup often looks like the person would look better after cleaning the skin with a butter knife. I keep hearing from men that their ladies are most prettiest after waking up or just without makeup, but it’s not like they can say that without the lady thinking they’re being sarcastic.
Because makeup is for women what bodybuilding is for men. Go tell a bodybuilder that ladies would find him prettier if he was skinnier, and see his reaction
I was thinking of this while writing!
There’s that one Batman: The Animated Series episode when the antagonist was a beautiful actress who thought she was ugly and irredeemable because years of trauma and stress locked her mind to see only the minor imperfections instead of the full picture. That’s what I see whenever I see an actually beautiful person does cosmetic surgery.
Dude my gorgeous friend 38 getting filler. Now looks like she’s ate some shellfish she’s allergic to.
Keeps getting it every 6 months or so.
Just awful.
I can’t tell her cause that will make her feel even worse.
God I hope she stops. I’m angry at the advertisement and grifters that convinced her she needed it.
We are both millennials. Aka ageless women. None of us even look our age anyway. And she’s thinking she needs to fix her perfect face.
Idk. I just reject all that nonsense. I’m ready to experience this whole life. I want to be an older woman when I’m older. I don’t want to be one way forever. Boring.
But culture tells women they are worthless when they are less fuckable. I hate it.
We are both millennials. Aka ageless women. None of us even look our age anyway.
Is this a thing?? I’m a millennial and don’t look my age and have noticed the same for plenty of other women around my age. I’ve always wondered about it, but hadn’t heard of it in a broad sense.
Having children takes a huge toll on the body. Millennials tend to have none or a lot fewer children than previous generations. Also, millennials eat way healthier and smoke less than their parents and grandparents.
And even though we grew up without it, we now wear sunscreen.
Oh boy a thread about women’s bodies, I’m sure this will be a civil and rational discussion and definitely won’t have misogynistic views throughout the entire thing.
Not a woman, so I could be full of shit. It does seem to me that women face much more pressure to be conventionally attractive, especially in image-intensive jobs like acting.
Very true, and already-attractive women started being told how pretty they were while they were younger so it became part of their identity and sense of self-worth. So they’re vulnerable to the fear of “losing their looks.”
Maybe a bit like kids being told they are “smart” and “gifted” turns a lot of them into workaholics with a fear of skill-based failure.and coping mechanisms around that.
A lot is advertising. Dude im 40F. It’s nonstop advertising to get fillers. Botox. Implants. Ozempic.
Constantly bombarded with it.
Firefox + uBlock origin. No more targeted ads.
Don’t forget Pi hole!
I get them on Instagram a lot. I already use Firefox and ublock. And have targeted advertising turned off.
Doesn’t seem to matter.
If you must use Instagram, do it from a browser with uBlock origin or other adblocking. Those ads are harmful for your health. If that’s not possible and you really want a change, quit using it. The platform’s sole purpose is to make you feel like shit by comparing you to “others” so they can sell you useless crap.
Stop using Instagram.
Self hatred is an industry. The manosphere is one part, and the beauty industry is the other - both trying to make you hate yourself and then sell you the cure. It’s emotional and psychological grifting.
Am I supposed to know Ariana Grande on some deep interpersonal level to realize that she looks like a walking corpse?
Oh, wow. I hadn’t seen what she looked like in quite a while. I just looked her up, and that’s uncanny. I would bet her issue stems from the fact she became famous as a child, and feels the need to keep up that appearance. Most famous women are trying to prevent indications of aging (and failing harder than doing nothing), but that’s trying to stay looking 30s, not like a teenager.
A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself. I dont know you but I’m not gonna offer my opinion cuz no one asked. Just because we all have a soapbox doesn’t mean we gotta use it
No, Ariana is beyond opinion. You can literally count her ribs. I literally cringe every time I see her. It’s beyond attractive or unattractive, she simply is not healthy.
Yeah when you can see their ribcage is when I stop thinking they look good and need to get some calories in them.
Same for the “hyper shredded” men who need to drink more fluids.
A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself
Good thing they didn’t offer an opinion.
Ariana Grande looks insanely unhealthy, like a skeleton, and appears to be in a health crisis with either ED or GLP1 abuse.
That isn’t an opinion, that’s a fact. She’s undeniably not naturally that bone thin, nor that inactive during her performances like she’s been recently.
Wow she responded to Lemmy
“The body that you’ve been comparing my current body to was the unhealthiest version of my body. I was on a lot of antidepressants and drinking on them and eating poorly,” she said. “[I was] at the lowest point of my life when I looked the way you consider my healthy, but that in fact wasn’t my healthy.”
(Actually April 2023)
OK all done with celebrity stuff for the month then! :) cared enough to quickly search once and accidentally found this^ but not opining
This might be shocking to learn, but someone who’s clearly going through a health crisis and is clearly extremely unhealthy due to an ED or GLP1 misuse, may actually lie about being unhealthy to get the scrutiny off of them.
Not to mention Ariana went 30+ years not looking like an actual skeleton. No way in fuck her prior body was less healthy.
“That’s just like your opinion man…”
But this is your opinion that you are sharing even though nobody asked which kind of invalidates your opinion in a way that is humorous
Not an opinion to state that you can keep your opinion to yourself
It’s my opinion that it is an opinion
I think its reasonable to bring attention to the extremely harmful act of women, who are held by society as the beauty standard, are anorexic or abusing weight loss drugs when it isn’t necessary.
We have countless studies on the ill effects idolizing women with unrealistic body standards, especially to the point they’re harming themselves to achieve them, has on women and young girls. This recent revival of the “heroine chick” beauty standard via eating disorders and GLP1 abuse is a nightmare to the psyche of women and girls, and also does damage the psyche of men and young boys for that matter.
“Heroin chic” is the fashion of looking starved and shadowed as if you’re a heroin addict.
“Heroine chick” is Supergirl
There’s no question that judging women by their appearance is a widespread problem, but doing expensive/unsafe medical things for the sake of appearance is also about personality.
Yes… a personality often built off the unhealthy relationship society has with women’s physical appearance. Sure, women can not care, but their lives will often unfortunately be much more difficult for it. Even accounting for the effort put into their appearance. These things are not so easily divorced in reality as they are in online discussions.
This is pretending like it’s all women who do this, or even all the ones who care about their appreance. It’s usually only the extremely wealthy and/or famous. Most normal women don’t see the need for these procedures, but the ones trying to be famous/popular are predisposed to thinking others will look down on them for aging.
I’m not ignoring societal pressures, but at some point you have to take responsibility for your priorities. I assume you wouldn’t excuse billionaires as just participating in capitalism and doing what they’re “supposed” to do. The harm of invasive medical procedures and medications for aesthetic reasons seems like a good place to draw the line and say “you have a problem”
comparing woman and the societal struggle they are forced through just by existing is not the same as choosing to maintain an evil system of financial oppression on the working class.
this is a poor argument.
But they’re pressured into it
Because society tells attractive women our value is primarily being attractive and losing that is scary since most people aren’t willing to give up the only thing that makes them valuable
When I got fat, people were assholes to me so much more often. They had no patience for me, it was crazy. I got back in shape and I’m worth courtesy and kindness again, apparently.
I’m afraid of aging in part because I’m scared to lose that basic human decency again.
You do not need to look a certain way to be worthy of respect, kindness, and love. And it’s sick that so many people are such superficial assholes.
Because the cosmetics industry spends billions of dollars a year yelling at women that they aren’t good enough.
They’re working the same bullshit on boys too (publicly) for the last 20 years.
I mean, it’s been going on far longer than 20 years. It’s just been more directly relatable to how women’s appearances have been critiqued since ‘metrosexuality’ was a trend a couple decades ago.
Yes. I specifically mention 20 years because that is roughly where Neutrogena said at a shareholder meeting that their goal was to addict boys and men to their products like they have to girls and women.
the thing is, those ppl have seen others with mar-a-lago face. it’s uncanny. still they do it. they are like “i wanna look bad and unnatural”. we have to accept that. their body; their choice.
I thought it was relatively well known that you’re mostly only noticing people that either have went too far or didn’t respond well to whatever treatment.
The thing is that the majority mostly fall under two categories; ones that look natural to the person and you don’t notice them or things that the viewer might not find attractive but the person wanted.
Ie a rhinoplasty to change the side profile of your face via straightening your nose, while maintaining a similar frontal profile.
Vs
A rhinoplasty to create a pinched in upturned nose similar to a bratz doll
Both are rhinoplasty, but achieve quite different goals. Im just saying it’s complex.
also, depending on personal preference, “too far” is usually any change. it’s hard to top thousands of years of human evolution. even a cute face with a medium size scar often looks good to most ppl; better even, than the outcome of reconstructive surgery.
if you have seen the person before, you will always notice and it will be uncanny. you can even notice just botox as soon as a person speaks and it’s weird.
but it’s also a matter of taste, like a piercing, for example. some ppl will be like “nooo, what did you do to your perfect face” and others will be like “i’m into that”. the question is what ones priorities are. do they want to look well for others and if so, whom? or do they do it for themselves and it doesn’t matter if others are weirded out.
That’s not right.
They are yelling at women that they aren’t good enough… unless they are waring their product. Oh if you use that other product you are just as ugly as you feel inside.
Hot take: advertising doesnt have that much impact on womens views of their own attractiveness or society’s beauty standards, unless those women are completely disconnected from the outside world. If it did, women’s beauty standards would be completely homogenenized. Instead, we see significantly different standards for what women strive for between cultures and social strata.
Instead, women are picking up cues from their social circles and the broader cultures they participate in.
Okay, then you can see that in many ways advertising creates and reinforces the looks of these subcultures in the first place.
We are not taking strict commercial advertising here, we are talking a coordinated effort across all cultural platforms to ingrain their brands.
Magazines, movies, music, tv, games, the military, higher education, bars, and even books etc; can and do have corporate sponsorships. They are all selling an image inside of each of these subcultures.
With the rise of globalism this has been spread throughout the world.
Re: GLP-1s
Surely, health is more important than being attractive.
