The political right hates AI a little less than the left, but not by super much, and some forces from the emerging America First movement are getting ready to protest AI’s invasiveness and capacity for manipulation. The org is called Humans First, and they’re trying to have a 50501-style nationwide protest about it on July 18th. If both sides cooperate on this one, good things can actually happen, so this should get talked about. A lot. https://www.humansfirst.com/
Fake ass protest. Conservatives love AI.
The cool new shill tactic is to pretend to be anti-AI or “concerned about AI” so they can hijack the conversation and re-direct people’s focus away from actual change and regulation. They bring up do-nothing solutions like “Local LLMs” or a there being a “public stake” in the industry.
Lemmy is absolutely thick with these cockroaches.
It’s fake concern all right. In Florida, DeSantis is term-limited out after this next election (YAY!), and Trump’s hand picked candidate is Byron Donaldson.
This week he started running anl campaign ad in which he shows concern for data centers, and has some utility rate protection he’s pushing. It makes him sound a bit anti-data center, so I looked it up.
Turns out he LOVES data centers, he’s just doing this one little thing so he can sound like he’s pushing back against them, and ease the biggest worry of MAGAs - higher utility bills. They don’t care if it destroys the environment, they just don’t want to pay more for it.
I think Conservative$ love it. But the “conservative base” doesn’t.
Yea the usual suspects are running something called plzdontkillus out of Berkeley this month which is an “anti AI” hype house. They are trying to hijack the message.
Or will only have issues with the datacenters and electric bills, but still want their free slop machine from those corporations.
Apparently DOGE was just a hallucination.
Holy shit that site is cancer, both visually and politically. I would love to be involved in a mass protest against AI, but I’d rather not feel obligated to punch a Nazi in the process.
Occupy Wall Street taught us one thing; trying to cooperate with conservatives is like trying to fuck a cactus. In theory, it could fit in that hole. In practice, it’ll do more damage than anything else.
Tbf, the “damage” is state employed agitators showing up to sow demographical division because coming together against the 1% is too close to actually doing something and we need to be distracted lest something start to actually change, and the fallout from that.
But yeah, fair.
Humans First is a conservative social movement that is dedicated to ensuring that the future of AI is in the hands of everyday people.
That doesn’t sound anti-AI to me.
The cool new shill tactic is to pretend to be anti-AI or “concerned about AI” so they can hijack the conversation and re-direct people’s focus away from actual change and regulation. They bring up do-nothing solutions like “Local LLMs” or a there being a “public stake” in the industry.
Lemmy is absolutely thick with these cockroaches.
Honestly. It reads like they want the government, specifically their dear leader, to do a hostile takeover of the AI companies so they can control it.
Wonder if they consider libs are everyday people 🤔
They absolutely don’t. See also all the outrage about “taxpayer money” funding abortion and transition as part of Medicare/Medicaid – they don’t even consider that women and trans people are also taxpayers.
It’s your bog standard reactionary populism
Is it that abundance thing? If so, that is people betting that llms will be the next oil and they want stock.
That’s a sane route. “AI” isn’t inherently bad, if it’s truly free and open source, with free and open source data and models and algorithms.
Yeah we have those already. The problem is capitalism.
The sane route is to implement socialism. Your AI girlfriend is secondary potatoes.
Man, even when they’re doing something good, they still have to frame it as “I come first!”
Conservatives categorically lack the brain capacity to consider others, never mind put them first.
Seems more like a lack of empathy than brain capacity. Moral and intellectual defects are not the same.
Actually there’s a fair amount of emerging neuroscience that shows that the brains of people with conservatives worldviews have lowered activity in the regions that process empathy, lowered activity in the regions that engage and resolve conflicts , and biased towards feeling threatened in a safe situation.
they have a higher fear center.
Of course moral reasoning shows up in a brain scan if materialism is true. The important point was about something a person is responsible for versus not.
thier protests will likely fail, because its more about themselves than the greater good of a group.
We do though. The entire lexicon of racism is ripe to be repurposed for shit-talking AI, because clankers literally aren’t people and they actually do make society worse. For the first time in human history, there is something out there that it is morally correct to be bigoted at. I think the slogan also carries the subtle implication that the people behind AI aren’t totally human too, which is great. Fuck clankers.
Sure, but “clankers” aren’t a thing. AI isn’t sentient, the humans creating and pushing AI are. They’re our real enemies. Being angry at “clankers” is like seeing a guy coming at you with a knife and punching the knife.
I thought “clankers” were the people using the slop machines.
“Sloppers” is also a good word for them.
Ah, in that case we’re on the same page. I thought “clankers” was a term people were using to “put down” AI clients themselves, as if they had the ability to feel bad. Still, though, it means that the “humans first” idea breaks down, because it’s still just humans vs other humans.
I think you were right about clankers referring to the AI. It’s clear in the root comment that’s what they mean when they say “they literally aren’t people”. Also, it is common slang for robots in various media including, I think, Star Wars.
Isn’t it also slang for people who fuck robots?
I guess it might be used both ways? Which is silly, the chatbots aren’t going to get their feelings hurt by name calling.
Yeah, that’s why I always thought it was a strange term. I like the term “sloppers” to refer to the people using AI, though. Makes more sense to me.
So it’s settled, Sloppers on one side, Neo-Luddites on the other.
I personally believe that sometimes to get a message across you have to leave morality behind to appeal to the base who is recieving the message.
I know its bad if I call elon musk a “retard”, or if I embrace racisim when I use words like clanker.
But one of the biggest lessons I think we all missed is that during the alt right pipeline around like 2012 was created by embracing the energy of edgy kids. Those kids are adults now and the ones who still are living in gamer gate culture war bs. Those are the people who get pysoped into believing in whatever trump says because they’re just tapping into emotions they got trained to get rage baited by when they where 15, and learned all the shitty talking points that they Still repeat 20 years later.
I’m going to say its bad praxis to try to educate someone when instead we should be taking the low hanging fruit and just dunking on them as if we are going back to the age when we called things “gay.” We have for force a cultural normity of bullying people for trying to say dumb racist things, as apposed to this momish/teacher lecture that we can’t help ourselves from doing. I’m doing it right now.
Embracing terms like clanker and just straight up bullying ai defenders is good praxis IMO.
…And yes I understand local Ai is different and kind of cool, but you have to understand you are like 1% of the people who even use Ai. When the world as a whole says “Ai” they are thinking of the corperate giants who run LLMs like claude or chatgpt. If the term Ai has to get hijacked and turned into this vauge watered down word that refers to LLMs, then Ai as a whole has to get smeared and you have to accept the fact we are rarely ever talking about you. Running a local Ai model is probably infinitely less problematic, and if there was some socialist automation revolution it would come from someone like you using local Ai models.
Sure. Does the use of a word cause harm? Okay, bad word to use.
Does the use of a word alleviate harm? Great word.
its thier " the only moral abortion is my abortion" type of behaviour
It’s funny to me when their supreme leader keeps using ai generated videos to “own” his enemies. Did you all see the one of him as a doctor diagnosing TDS?
When you have trained your brain to accept any nonsense you choose to be the truth, then this weird propaganda becomes accepted as real in your brain.
what? it’s coming from your own people
yeah the GOP will produce an edict about how AI is good and they’ll probably fall in line.
Well, except the ones paying more for everything - hey wait a minute, that’s what we get with everything GOP what the fuck
This is what always gets me.
US dems will throw their leaders under the bus in a split second, or fry them over the slightest past scandal.
Even those that won’t will criticize them over specific issues.
Most Republicans, no matter what, cannot blame Trump.
He is objectively, full-throated pro Big Tech; he invited them all to Washington. He is talking about a national OpenAI stake, he is talking up data centres, he literally brought Elon Musk into his cabinet. He’s publicly received hundreds in millions of dollars in donations from Tech CEOs! Repeatedly.
Yet even this movement simply cannot bring themselves to say “maybe he’s wrong on this one?”
One of the big common themes of conservatism is following the leader. They all want to bend the knee. They love hierarchy.
Well, the flip-side is there doesn’t seem to be nuance or waffling, either.
To Republicans, he’s either with them, or not; regular folks who break with Trump over an issue seem to renounce him entirely, from what I’ve seen.
…Hence I’m positing this could be a breaking point.
I think some Trump supports who join this movement, and start watching his actions closely, are going to hit it. Some already did over Epstein, but this is an issue with broader direct impact in peoples’ lives.
To Republicans, he’s either with them, or not; regular folks who break with Trump over an issue seem to renounce him entirely, from what I’ve seen.
Because once that last straw hits, they stop willfully ignoring everything else and the cognitive dissonance collapses.
Musk was never in his cabinet, that requires Senate confirmation.
Turns out you don’t need to be in the cabinet to completely fuck the country up
“The conservative movement has been transformed by President Trump into a movement that puts the interests of everyday Americans first. Now, Big AI globalists seek to hijack our movement to get Washington, D.C. to put Big AI before the American people.”
First of all, LOL
Secondly, the calls are coming from inside the party, dipshits.
I don’t care about inflation
Donald J Trump, convicted rapist
Didn’t he even recently say that he loves inflation? Lol
How amazing would it be if our hatred for AI slop is what finally unites the working class against the billionaires?
In a sense, it will
There was a guy who started talking about how they used AI in their ads and noticed way less conversion rate. They decided, fuck it, like write on cardboard and do something real and human. Waaaay better results.
I think the big wigs are going to realize they’re getting ripped off by AI, told it’s the future and that they need to invest and adopt before anyone else, and they’re now realizing they’re spending millions to save thousands.
Considering it’s the festering carcass of capitalism manifest, every capital generating human stands to fucking hate it.
A backwards clock is right more frequently than a stopped one.
A calculator is a clock sometimes.
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“IT’S AFFECTING ME NOW!!!”
Think they’ll beat the living fuck out of some cops and attempt to murder some politicians? Seems to be the standard for their “protests”.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Anti AI, anti cops, and anti politicians is a threefer.
Me, with my broken digital clock: 🤔
It’s 88:88 somewhere.
The enemy of my enemy…
Can then fight my enemy, but that doesn’t make us friends
Fuckin hope so tbh, it’d be amazing to see it happen for a good cause for once
Too many gray areas (bodies of water) on that map with no red anywhere near them. The people there are going to be really surprised to learn that they’ve been living on some tech company’s water all their lives, and that their local water board all retired and left the state at the same time.
Makes sense. Both the Harkonnens and the Atreides were anti ai.
Like other commenters are saying: it’ll be sweet if anti ai sentiment unites people but the entirety of human history suggests people will cooperate until the threat is over and then they’ll break upon lines of who wipes standing or sitting or some other dumb shit.
The only people who wipe standing are extreme fatasses who can’t get to it otherwise.
Wow. You didn’t even wait for the threat to be over before proving @[email protected] right! You’re a winner!
I do a weird half squat thing, mostly because I’ve accidentally touched the water too many times.
The problem with standing is the cheeks close together, and shit gets everywhere.
I’m glad my mom taught me to do it the right way.
